[SOC] Improvements to the Camino tabbed-browsing experience

Hudsong · Post by **Hudsong** » June 5th, 2006, 6:21 pm

Wow man calm the f#&k down. Just making a suggestion here.

nufferkay · Post by **nufferkay** » June 5th, 2006, 6:38 pm

Uncle Asad wrote:You just have to go back to 0.8.x; it was 16 tabs in the window and then *each* new tab went into its *own* new window....

Yeah, that's what I meant. Heck, if overflowed tabs meant creating new windows, but additional overflowed tabs would keep going into the same new windows instead of creating new ones, that would rock!

But I won't even pretend to know whether that would be an easy or a difficult thing to implement - nor whether it's an intuitive interface choice (it is to me, but maybe not to anyone else).

delliott · Post by **delliott** » June 6th, 2006, 1:01 am

Hudsong wrote:Wow man calm the f#&k down. Just making a suggestion here.

Well said Hudsong! It looks like cflawson has a bit of a temper. Let us not forget that this is the Internet and it's not as serious as we sometimes think it is

I'm just chiming in here to make sure that people remember that the deadline for discussion in this thread is midnight! Get your creative brainstorming hats on people. We are going to be discussing these proposals soon and by Sunday evening I plan to have a really nice set of high-level descriptions relating to what we decide to do.

evenprimes · Post by **evenprimes** » June 6th, 2006, 6:48 am

Check out the ColorTabs extension for FireFox. Th actual colorizing of tabs is nice, but in the latest version the tab fade is really really nice.

I like to know exactly what tab on on especially since Camino puts close tab buttons on each tab, if you think you're on a tab and close it you may close the wrong tab. I do this far too often myself! It's not a huge deal, but giving a strong visual cue as to which tab is active would be nice.

Chris

gaomay · Post by **gaomay** » June 6th, 2006, 9:30 am

delliott,

Congratulations on getting the SoC position. I attended Edinburgh also and have many happy memories of the place particularly Teviot Friday nights in my first year...

I liked the idea of having a drop-down tab preview but as you mentioned the implementation described here:

osono.design wrote:A preview of all opened tabs would be cool. Like in OmniWeb or Shiira... Here you get an idea: http://www.osono.ch/files/preview.gif (700 KB)

does seem a little clunky. However, what if the previews rolled down from individual tabs after the mouse pointer had hovered over them for more than a predetermined (and maybe also user-definable?) period of time? Each user could then set the delay period according to their wants, which would avoid the situation where people become annoyed by previews appearing when not needed/wanted.

Does anybody else like this idea or am I completely barmy?

nufferkay · Post by **nufferkay** » June 6th, 2006, 11:40 am

gaomay - I'm just curious: if you're only going to get a preview of one tab at a time, why bother hovering over the tab for a couple seconds rather than just clicking the tab and viewing the page immediately, full size?

cflawson · Post by **cflawson** » June 6th, 2006, 11:41 am

evenprimes wrote:I like to know exactly what tab on on especially since Camino puts close tab buttons on each tab, if you think you're on a tab and close it you may close the wrong tab. I do this far too often myself! It's not a huge deal, but giving a strong visual cue as to which tab is active would be nice.

Aaron Schulman's patch for proper rollover highlighting of the close tab widget just landed a couple weeks ago on branch and trunk, and will be in 1.1. That helps some. You might find it useful to use one of the many alternative tab themes on pimpmycamino, too. Several of those are more contrasty and make it easier to determine which is the active tab.

cl

gaomay · Post by **gaomay** » June 6th, 2006, 11:47 am

nufferkay wrote:gaomay - I'm just curious: if you're only going to get a preview of one tab at a time, why bother hovering over the tab for a couple seconds rather than just clicking the tab and viewing the page immediately, full size?

Yes, I see your point! Maybe it could be activated for all tabs simultaneously? Would look a little better than the other implementation.

phiw13 · Post by **phiw13** » June 6th, 2006, 4:12 pm

gaomay wrote:
nufferkay wrote:gaomay - I'm just curious: if you're only going to get a preview of one tab at a time, why bother hovering over the tab for a couple seconds rather than just clicking the tab and viewing the page immediately, full size?

Yes, I see your point! Maybe it could be activated for all tabs simultaneously? Would look a little better than the other implementation.

Better option is (as already mention early on in the thread), mousing over the (background) tab pops up a preview image of the page, and the full title. There are some (? at least one) extensions for Fx that do this. Opera 9 beta has a similar tab-preview that works quite well, and fast.

nufferkay · Post by **nufferkay** » June 6th, 2006, 5:03 pm

Has anyone here used IE 7? Pretty much everything about that browser interface-wise is somehow worse than IE 6 -- except for their tab gallery feature, which is actually kind of nice.

Much like Camino's or Safari's bookmark manager, it takes over the entire document area. There's lots of room to scan the tabs, and it doesn't make the rest of the interface move around. I think it's a great way to do tab previews.

Uncle Asad · Post by **Uncle Asad** » June 6th, 2006, 9:00 pm

nufferkay wrote:Much like Camino's or Safari's bookmark manager, it takes over the entire document area. There's lots of room to scan the tabs, and it doesn't make the rest of the interface move around. I think it's a great way to do tab previews.

That might be what pinkerton is calling Tab Exposé

delliott · Post by **delliott** » June 7th, 2006, 1:38 am

Thanks to everybody who contributed to this thread. We hope to be able to report back by the weekend with the ideas that we will be carrying forward.

the Falcon · Post by **the Falcon** » June 9th, 2006, 7:29 am

I know the deadline has already passed, but after reading Camino's SoC's wiki page, this idea suddenly struck me like lightning: Tab Magnification à la the Dock! :shock:

Of course, it would be different from the Dock in that Camino wouldn't merely blow up the image off the tab but rather would give whatever tab you're hovering over extra space to display its text. Of course, tooltips could do the same thing, but that's not quite the same, now is it?
So… Good, bad or ugly? Love it or hate it?
And: Could it be done? I would hazard to say "yes", since the Dock pulls it off so smoothly, but then again, I wouldn't know the first thing about programming Cocoa. :roll:

Even if this idea is not eligible for inclusion in the SoC project, I thought I'd at least share it with you folks over here.

delliott · Post by **delliott** » July 18th, 2006, 3:15 am

Uhm, so yeah, I have been working on things!

http://summerofcamino.blogspot.com/2006 ... ation.html

For your viewing pleasure.

val1984 · Post by **val1984** » July 19th, 2006, 1:47 am

Will you implement tab closing with middle click?

[SOC] Improvements to the Camino tabbed-browsing experience

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