Call for an official Mozilla Sunbird theme

sasquatch · Post by **sasquatch** » August 18th, 2004, 2:05 pm

laketrout wrote:
chrisw73 wrote:Sönke, as you pointed out early yourself: You are late! The logo has been chosen. In fact I think you should help optimizing the choosen logo instead of doing an own version - which is quite close to the original... What do you think?

sludwig's design *is* based on Mark's design. It is an improvement not an entirely new design. His "optimizations" should be considered.

I was thinking the same thing. Sludwig's bird today is Mark's bird yesterday. This is the internet, email each other your files and share! All will benefit.

fishbert · Post by **fishbert** » August 18th, 2004, 4:07 pm

No, Sludwig's bird today is a cousin of Mark's bird today.

Everyone keeps ooo-ing and ahhh-ing over Sludwig's bird, but I greatly prefer Mark's design from the contest anyway. Sludwig's bird looks like it has shag-carpet-feathers syndrome, and that makes it look too much like Thunderbird's bird.

It doesn't matter anyway, since neither will actually be used over the Space-Manatee.

suslik · Post by **suslik** » August 18th, 2004, 5:19 pm

After I posted this patch (link to my previous post) I realized that some may have already customized the calendar.jar, in which case the patch might not work (as it tries to patch sunbird.exe AND calendar.jar).

I can post separate binary patches: one for sunbird.exe (to replace the logo) and one for calendar.jar (to replace the throbber). The first one would be about 90-100Kb and would work with any customized calendar.jar

If someone ran into trouble patching, and would benefit from the ebove scheme, post or PM.

Request for Jeff-inification of sunbird.exe is accepted. I'll speak with him before I jump on it, though.

Cheers

fishbert · Post by **fishbert** » August 18th, 2004, 8:39 pm

Ok, just got Sunbird 0.2 from the FTP....
now, where can I get a 128x128 PNG icon with good alpha blending for my dock?

markcarson · Post by **markcarson** » August 18th, 2004, 10:54 pm

Fishbert,

128x128 PNG with alpha channel for the outer drop shadow: <img src="http://markcarson.com/images/Sunbird-128.png">
Note that the shadow either side of the tail is not transparent in this version (that will be fixed in the future).
UPDATE - partial transparency around tail fixed.

128x128 ICO (Windows Icon file) with alpha channel: <img src="http://markcarson.com/images/Sunbird-128.ico">

Hope this helps for now. They are on my website: <a href="http://markcarson.com/MarkCarson/Asp/SunbirdIcons.asp">http://markcarson.com/MarkCarson/Asp/SunbirdIcons.asp</a>

fishbert · Post by **fishbert** » August 18th, 2004, 11:02 pm

Thanks, hope you get the inner alpha fixed soon.
On your website, what's labeled as a PNG file is actually the same ICO file

markcarson · Post by **markcarson** » August 19th, 2004, 12:07 am

Thanks for the catch. I've updated the link for the PNG on my website. The one in my previous post was correct tho.

markcarson · Post by **markcarson** » August 19th, 2004, 12:15 am

Fishbert,

No time like the present, done. The 128x128 ICO and PNG files on my website now have partial transparency on the drop shadow and in the area around the tail. The 48x48 icon remains unchanged (for now) and has full transparency around the tail.

Just hit reload on this page and then download the images.

Foxtrot · Post by **Foxtrot** » August 19th, 2004, 9:00 am

Everyone keeps ooo-ing and ahhh-ing over Sludwig's bird, but I greatly prefer Mark's design from the contest anyway. Sludwig's bird looks like it has shag-carpet-feathers syndrome, and that makes it look too much like Thunderbird's bird.

The reason people "ooo" and "ahhh" about Sludwig's proposal is because they like it. It effectively builds on mark's design. Some people think it's better, some don't. Personally, I think they both have their own ups and downs.

Sludwig's proposal scales exceptionally well, far better than mark's. That's what caught my eye. However, mark's logo has been in the works for much longer, and has therefore had more time to develop. Sludwig's bird is, perhaps for that reason, not (in my opinion) as good as mark's at 128x128, for instance.

As for the shag-carpet-feathers, that's one of the feats that make the TB-logo better than the current Sunbird logo. The sunbird logo just looks too plain. Sludwig has improved this, I think, as well as adding some consistency in the art style.

How does it matter that Sludwig's proposal is the current logo's "cousin"? Family has to stick together and learn from each other's mistakes, anyway. The only negative outcome of Sludwig entering the stage would be if the artists that have all produced outstanding work for this contest (Mark, Suslik, Sludwig, Jeff) can't work together like a team.

gizmo · Post by **gizmo** » August 19th, 2004, 10:03 am

Just to do a try with differents sunbird's logos, with FB's and FX's logos :

<img src="http://mitglied.lycos.de/shp0202/1/ico3_h2_cal_256.png" width="133px"><img src="http://axentra.net/www/sunbird/images/comparison_1.png">

nooon · Post by **nooon** » August 19th, 2004, 11:03 am

the leftmost bird is definitely the best. the one to the right is WAY too glossy.

fishbert · Post by **fishbert** » August 19th, 2004, 11:24 am

Foxtrot wrote:
Everyone keeps ooo-ing and ahhh-ing over Sludwig's bird, but I greatly prefer Mark's design from the contest anyway. Sludwig's bird looks like it has shag-carpet-feathers syndrome, and that makes it look too much like Thunderbird's bird.

The reason people "ooo" and "ahhh" about Sludwig's proposal is because they like it. It effectively builds on mark's design. Some people think it's better, some don't. Personally, I think they both have their own ups and downs.

I wasn't being critical of the ooo-ing and ahhh-ing... just pointing it out as reason for me feeling the need to stand up and defend Mark's design (lest readers get the impression that it's unanimous favorite).

Foxtrot wrote:As for the shag-carpet-feathers, that's one of the feats that make the TB-logo better than the current Sunbird logo. The sunbird logo just looks too plain. Sludwig has improved this, I think, as well as adding some consistency in the art style.

I don't know that the shag-carpet-feathers make it better. It makes the logo look more like the TB logo, but I don't know that to be a good thing -- if the bird starts to look too much like the TB bird, this could be just as bad (in my opinion) as a red bird being too similar to FF's logo in coloring. There's already been prevalent criticism that Mark's bird is just a rip-off of the TB logo bird; I don't completely agree, but giving the bird shag-carpet-feathers makes this observation undeniable.

Foxtrot wrote:How does it matter that Sludwig's proposal is the current logo's "cousin"?

Because "Sludwig's bird today is Mark's bird yesterday" implies that Mark's bird is now old-hat, and Sludwig's bird is the wave of the future (or something to that effect). I disagree with this. They are related, and I thought a 'cousin' analogy would better reflect that they two are on relatively equal footing.

sasquatch · Post by **sasquatch** » August 19th, 2004, 11:39 am

nooon wrote:the leftmost bird is definitely the best. the one to the right is WAY too glossy.

... and not as clear to make out. Probably even more so at smaller sizes.

sunilgarg · Post by **sunilgarg** » August 19th, 2004, 12:55 pm

sasquatch wrote:
nooon wrote:the leftmost bird is definitely the best. the one to the right is WAY too glossy.

... and not as clear to make out. Probably even more so at smaller sizes.

I think that's because it's being scaled by your browser. If one was made at that res from the original vector graphics, it would probably look just as clear.

Thumper's Evil Twin · August 19th, 2004, 1:09 pm

The enhanced feathering and eye fits better with Thunderbird too.

- Chris