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Phoenix 0.5 (Naples) as of 12/7/2002 08:00 USA-EST

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 6:02 am

Page http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/pho ... notes.html indicates a build of "Naples"

*BUT*

the Windoze and Linux links are inconsistent:

Windows: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/rele ... -win32.zip
Linux: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/rele ... gnu.tar.gz

Also, clicking on the Windows link gets

"The requested URL /pub/phoenix/releases/0.5/phoenix-0.5-win32.zip was not found on this server."

Oops?

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 6:08 am

I guess you haven't seen the background of the page.
It reads DRAFT about a hundred times in big.

-> Phoenix 0.5 isn't available yet, the links won't work until it's available.

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 6:08 am

Look at the background of the page... It says "DRAFT" in BIG letters, which at least in my interpretation means that it's not yet official. There's also no 0.5 directory yet on ftp://mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/releases .

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 6:14 am

I did see the word "draft" and was confused by this. Normally, we don't publish test objects into production and let users looking for stable releases encounter them.

Suggestion: Create (at least) 2 areas:

1) Production i.e. http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/pho ... notes.html

2) Integrated Test or Staging (somewhere else) which is private to developers and testers

Anyways, that is what folks normally do in other projects, in my experience.

-Richard

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 8:36 am

So......when will it not be draft?

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 9:13 am

johnh123 wrote:So......when will it not be draft?

As soon as the background image has vanished, I assume. :P

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 9:39 am

fangorn_ent wrote:I did see the word "draft" and was confused by this. Normally, we don't publish test objects into production and let users looking for stable releases encounter them.

Suggestion: Create (at least) 2 areas:

1) Production i.e. http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/pho ... notes.html

2) Integrated Test or Staging (somewhere else) which is private to developers and testers

Anyways, that is what folks normally do in other projects, in my experience.

-Richard


This is version 0.5, so any user of Phoenix so far is a tester.

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 11:19 am

about phoenix : Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021207 Phoenix/0.5
very closed :)

the feature "multiple home pages" works perfectly ...
let's play

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 11:20 am

djst wrote:This is version 0.5, so any user of Phoenix so far is a tester.


Agreed.

BUT www.mozilla.org ==> to the draft 0.5 web page which it calls "Phoenix 0.4" instead of to http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/0.4 ... notes.html.

When the Phoenix 0.5 web page is ready (not a draft), THEN it can become what is pointed to by Mozilla and Mozilla's page could be updated to say "0.5".

Perhaps I should have said that to begin with in my first post.

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 11:23 am

fangorn_ent wrote:
djst wrote:This is version 0.5, so any user of Phoenix so far is a tester.


Agreed.

BUT www.mozilla.org ==> to the draft 0.5 web page which it calls "Phoenix 0.4" instead of to http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/0.4 ... notes.html.

When the Phoenix 0.5 web page is ready (not a draft), THEN it can become what is pointed to by Mozilla and Mozilla's page could be updated to say "0.5".

Perhaps I should have said that to begin with in my first post.


I can agree it would be better to have "phoenix-release-notes.html" point to the latest official release and not a draft to a forthcoming release, but I'm sure the developers have a reason for doing it this way.

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 2:06 pm

fangorn_ent wrote:I did see the word "draft" and was confused by this. Normally, we don't publish test objects into production and let users looking for stable releases encounter them.

Suggestion: Create (at least) 2 areas:

1) Production i.e. http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/pho ... notes.html

2) Integrated Test or Staging (somewhere else) which is private to developers and testers

Anyways, that is what folks normally do in other projects, in my experience.

-Richard


They have "draft" builds up constantly, so why not draft release notes?

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 2:18 pm

It's really just for convenience's sake that we update the live page, since we can then use mozilla.org's web-based edit system. The alternative is to use cvs, pull the whole mozilla.org doctree, etc. We do archive release notes; the 0.4 ones are linked to at the bottom. While I could just update the 0.4 release notes link to that page temporarily, I really don't see the point (we have stats on how many people are still visiting the 0.4 relnotes pages, it's very few, and we plan on releasing today.)

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 3:29 pm

Blake wrote:It's really just for convenience's sake that we update the live page, since we can then use mozilla.org's web-based edit system.


I figured that was the reason.

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Post Posted December 7th, 2002, 5:24 pm

fangorn_ent wrote:I did see the word "draft" and was confused by this. Normally, we don't publish test objects into production and let users looking for stable releases encounter them.

This is a pre-release (0.5) open source project. Anyone using any build of Phoenix, nightly or milestone, are _not_ production or stable. If the idea of _testing_ pre-1.0 software and the release documentation that goes along with it doesn't appeal to you then I suggest you wait until after the product is 1.0 and never use anything but 1.0 and other major point releases.

--Asa

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