List of URLs that do not work with Mozilla

Miklp · Post by **Miklp** » September 10th, 2003, 10:31 am

Here is a list of web sites displayed incorrectly with Mozilla :

Websites not displayed at all:
- www.spain.info : not displayed at all. Contacted web site 2 weeks ago, I didn't have a reply... This is now reported at Bug 219862
- www.forfaits.bouyguestelecom.fr : contacted, I got a reply saying that it is too expensive to make a web site complient with other browsers than IE because 97% of their users use IE. I replied that there is just a problem at lines 43/46 of the HTML code with CDATA. I said that if you close the CDATA tag correctly, the website will work correctly, even menus. I got no reply... This is now reported at Bug 219866
- www.ooshop.fr : when clicking on "Entrer dans le magasin", nothing happens. I contacted the webmaster who said that I had to use either Netscape or IE.

Display problems:
- www.jasc.com : menus don't work. Contacted support center (september 2003), I don't know if they will take my suggestions into account.
- www.uvsq.fr : some text problems on some web pages. I contacted the webmaster (in August 2003) saying that there is a problem in uvsq.css at line 10, Col 104 : height: 14px should be removed. The webmaster said it would take that into account, but didn't do anything since then...
- www.cap21.net : upper frame not totally displayed (and then : no access to menus...) and moving the mouse over "up.gif" and "down.gif" (see "Revue de presse") doesn't do anything (there should be a scrolling) . Contacted webmaster, I didn't have any reply. This is now reported at Bug 219868
- www.ouirock.com : click on "Concours" in the top menu : display problems. I wrote to the webmaster 2 months ago, I never got a reply. EDIT : in the new version of the website, this now FIXED.
- www.jeulin.fr : Menus at the top of the page don't work. Contacted webmaster, he replied that there will be a new version of the website working with all browsers.

Miklp · Post by **Miklp** » September 10th, 2003, 10:50 am

Edited first message : I forgot www.cap21.net ...

jrobbio · Post by **jrobbio** » September 10th, 2003, 1:19 pm

Miklp wrote:- www.ooshop.fr : when clicking on "Entrer dans le magasin", nothing happens. I contacted the webmaster who said that I had to use either Netscape or IE.

Did you mention that Netscape and Firebird use the same engine and any javascript that doesn't work in Firebird isn't likely to work in Netscape?

- www.jasc.com : menus don't work. I didn't contact any webmaster for the moment

This is the most important one of the lot since its a very high profile company and would be a good one to have on the evangelism trophy list. An e-mail to webmaster@jasc.com will certainly find the right person.

p.s. I would advise you to use the forum BBCode next time because may people have html disabled in posts.

hartlandcat · Post by **hartlandcat** » September 10th, 2003, 1:34 pm

What about sites that block Mozilla (and most other non-IE browsers). The worst example of this is www.proffs.nu

corwin · Post by **corwin** » September 10th, 2003, 4:49 pm

jrobbio wrote:
Miklp wrote:- www.jasc.com : menus don't work. I didn't contact any webmaster for the moment

This is the most important one of the lot since its a very high profile company and would be a good one to have on the evangelism trophy list. An e-mail to webmaster@jasc.com will certainly find the right person.

Actually, ooshop is a much much higher profile company than JASC, they probably reach JASC's annual turnover in a couple of hours of activity:-)

corwin · Post by **corwin** » September 10th, 2003, 5:46 pm

Miklp wrote:Here is a list of web sites displayed incorrectly with Mozilla :

Websites not displayed at all:
- <a href="http://www.spain.info">www.spain.info</a> : not displayed at all. Contacted web site 2 weeks ago, I didn't have a reply...

It is a redirection problem in their script, they try to detect the default language and direct the visitor to a localized page, AFAIK, Mozilla and IE use a slightly different syntax (navigator.language/navigator.userLanguage) which is probably the problem, they should test both. When the test is done you are redirected to a page which works with mozilla like http://www.spain.info/Portal/EN/Default.htm (but which has problems in Opera BTW).

- <a href="http://www.forfaits.bouyguestelecom.fr">www.forfaits.bouyguestelecom.fr</a> : contacted, I got a reply saying that it is too expensive to make a web site complient with other browsers than IE because 97% of their users use IE. I replied that there is just a problem at lines 43/46 of the HTML code with CDATA. I said that if you close the CDATA tag correctly, the website will work correctly, even menus. I got no reply...

All Bouygues website are crappy and made by unskilled webmasters, please file a bug report in Bugzilla.

- <a href="http://www.ooshop.fr">www.ooshop.fr</a> : when clicking on "Entrer dans le magasin", nothing happens. I contacted the webmaster who said that I had to use either Netscape or IE.

Known problem :
<a href="http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185161">http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185161</a>

Display problems:
- <a href="http://www.jasc.com">www.jasc.com</a> : menus don't work. I didn't contact any webmaster for the moment

Contact them, these idiots are testing NS4/IE proprietary DOM (document.layer/document.all) instead of document.getElementById (official DOM understood by all modern browsers).

Also file a bug report.

- <a href="http://www.uvsq.fr">www.uvsq.fr</a> : some text problems on many web pages. For example click on "Séminaire LMD des universités d'Ile-de-France" and see... I contacted the webmaster saying that there is a problem in <a href="http://www.uvsq.fr/Templates/uvsq.css">uvsq.css</a> at line 10, Col 104 : height: 14px should be removed. The webmaster said it would take that into account, but didn't do anything since then...

This is indeed the problem, IE is buggy and interpret height as min-height. Actually, they don't even need it there, it is useless.

- <a href="http://www.cap21.net">www.cap21.net</a> : upper frame not totally displayed (and then : no access to menus...) and moving the mouse over "up.gif" and "down.gif" (see "Revue de presse") doesn't do anything (there should be a scrolling) . Contacted webmaster, I didn't have any reply.

Can't reach this one, time out.

You could also talk about these problems in the French Tech Evangelism forum :

<a href="http://geckozone.tuxfamily.org/geckoforum/">-> Forum Rapporter un site non conforme</a>

Autark · Post by **Autark** » September 11th, 2003, 5:33 am

hartlandcat wrote:What about sites that block Mozilla (and most other non-IE browsers). The worst example of this is www.proffs.nu

It is certainly one of the most stupid examples, but the site is very insignificant.

Since www.proffs.nu is a Swedish site, I can give you a couple of other Swedish examples, which I think are worse:
* The Swedish Stock Exchange
* H&M

hartlandcat · Post by **hartlandcat** » September 11th, 2003, 8:49 am

That H&M site... what is about IE 4.0? Do webmasters really think that their site will look better in IE4 than Netscape 7/Mozilla?

jrobbio · Post by **jrobbio** » September 11th, 2003, 9:02 am

corwin wrote:
jrobbio wrote:
Miklp wrote:- www.jasc.com : menus don't work. I didn't contact any webmaster for the moment

This is the most important one of the lot since its a very high profile company and would be a good one to have on the evangelism trophy list. An e-mail to webmaster@jasc.com will certainly find the right person.

Actually, ooshop is a much much higher profile company than JASC, they probably reach JASC's annual turnover in a couple of hours of activity:-)

Sorry I wasn't talking about earnings here, I was talking about Internet presence and number of visitors.

Rob

Autark · Post by **Autark** » September 11th, 2003, 9:15 am

Miklp wrote:- <a href="http://www.spain.info">www.spain.info</a> : not displayed at all.

It seems that it's the language selection that is faulty - I see that http://www.spain.info/Portal/ES/Default.htm works quite well, even the dynamic menu. It shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes to fix.

Edit: Sorry, this post is redundant. I should have read other posts more carefully.

Miklp · Post by **Miklp** » September 11th, 2003, 9:47 am

jrobbio wrote:Did you mention that Netscape and Firebird use the same engine and any javascript that doesn't work in Firebird isn't likely to work in Netscape?

Yes I mentioned it in the second message I sent them.

jrobbio wrote:This is the most important one of the lot since its a very high profile company and would be a good one to have on the evangelism trophy list. An e-mail to webmaster@jasc.com will certainly find the right person.

Yes, I'm going to try this e-mail address. But I can't give a lot of information to Jasc on the reasons of the fact that menus don't work. Only if you have time, could you contact them corwin ?

jrobbio wrote:p.s. I would advise you to use the forum BBCode next time because may people have html disabled in posts.

Ok, thanks, I'll try to know what is BBCode (I don't know for the moment).

corwin wrote:It is a redirection problem in their script, they try to detect the default language and direct the visitor to a localized page, AFAIK, Mozilla and IE use a slightly different syntax (navigator.language/navigator.userLanguage) which is probably the problem, they should test both. When the test is done you are redirected to a page which works with mozilla like http://www.spain.info/Portal/EN/Default.htm (but which has problems in Opera BTW)

Thanks, you're probably right. But I can't warn them because a message is limited to 250 chars on their website !! I noticed that http://www.spain.info/Portal/EN/Default.htm works.
For ooshop, the bug reported (185161) is not exactly the same.
For www.uvsq.fr, I'll write again an e-mail to them saying that "height" is useless there.

Thanks all, I'll report some bugs.

y3k · Post by **y3k** » September 11th, 2003, 8:03 pm

BBcode consists of simple commands like [url]link[/url] and [img]linktoimage[/img]
for a detailed list check the faq http://forums.mozillazine.org/faq.php?mode=bbcode

pinku · Post by **pinku** » September 12th, 2003, 4:35 am

I dont if this has been posted earlier or not..

But it seems in reuters.com video is not supported in FB i havent checked with Mozilla though...

It supports WMP and Real Player and Netscape 4.0 or higher but not FB..

I think here something can be done as FB works with Real player....

dtobias · Post by **dtobias** » September 12th, 2003, 11:51 am

corwin wrote:
Miklp wrote:Here is a list of web sites displayed incorrectly with Mozilla :

Websites not displayed at all:
- <a href="http://www.spain.info">www.spain.info</a> : not displayed at all. Contacted web site 2 weeks ago, I didn't have a reply...

It is a redirection problem in their script, they try to detect the default language and direct the visitor to a localized page, AFAIK, Mozilla and IE use a slightly different syntax (navigator.language/navigator.userLanguage) which is probably the problem, they should test both. When the test is done you are redirected to a page which works with mozilla like http://www.spain.info/Portal/EN/Default.htm (but which has problems in Opera BTW).

There's actually no need for a webmaster to use any clunky and problem-prone scripting to detect language settings and serve different pages accordingly; the HTTP protocol has this ability built in already, and it's supported natively at least by the Apache server (I'm not sure about other server software). Some info on how to set it up is in my site:

<A HREF="http://webtips.dan.info/language.html">http://webtips.dan.info/language.html</A>

toptosher · Post by **toptosher** » September 15th, 2003, 11:11 am

msn gaming zone doesnt work..the main page loads but try and get into rooms and you get this page:

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