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Post Posted August 8th, 2014, 6:44 pm

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Post Posted August 10th, 2014, 11:50 am

Build is broken since the 23rd for Win/Mac

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Post Posted August 13th, 2014, 10:43 am

Honest question...
Has work on Thunderbird halted? Or, has it become Linux only?

If so, then will the Daily from July 23rd be released as the final version for Windows?
If not, the could the Moderator or a developer offer a description of the bustage and an update on the prospects for a fix?

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Post Posted August 13th, 2014, 5:33 pm

muddydog wrote:Honest question...
Has work on Thunderbird halted? Or, has it become Linux only?

If so, then will the Daily from July 23rd be released as the final version for Windows?
If not, the could the Moderator or a developer offer a description of the bustage and an update on the prospects for a fix?

No it hasnt Halted, i think its Busted due to all the changed in Gecko or something like that, the thunderbird Devs cant keep up. but i dunno why only the Linux Builds are building . my guess rsX or JoeS would be best to nanswer that

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Post Posted August 14th, 2014, 3:45 am

muddydog wrote:Has work on Thunderbird halted?


It's been officially "abandoned" by Mozilla anyway, only non-employees are working on it now. So yeah, no one gets money for working on it, this means people don't feel like working on it, which leads us to the state it is currently in, broken all the time.
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Post Posted August 14th, 2014, 6:16 am

Stanzillla wrote:It's been officially "abandoned" by Mozilla anyway, only non-employees are working on it now. So yeah, no one gets money for working on it, this means people don't feel like working on it, which leads us to the state it is currently in, broken all the time.


Ah, I see. So many thanks and lots of appreciation to the non-employees who work for not enough love or money.

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Post Posted August 14th, 2014, 5:16 pm

32 and 64bit Win builds for Aug. 14th are out now, only mac missing.

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Post Posted August 16th, 2014, 9:55 am

Stanzillla wrote:
muddydog wrote:Has work on Thunderbird halted?


It's been officially "abandoned" by Mozilla anyway, only non-employees are working on it now. So yeah, no one gets money for working on it, this means people don't feel like working on it, which leads us to the state it is currently in, broken all the time.

If you checked facts you would know that most bustage has been due to mozilla-central changes, not caused by thunderbird coders. And no "people don't feel like working on it" is quite false, we have more volunteer coders today than in the history of Thunderbird - and 6-10 of them actively (and pretty timely too) fixing build bustage.

Please don't persist in spreading FUD

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Post Posted August 17th, 2014, 5:25 pm

wsm wrote:
Stanzillla wrote:
muddydog wrote:Has work on Thunderbird halted?


It's been officially "abandoned" by Mozilla anyway, only non-employees are working on it now. So yeah, no one gets money for working on it, this means people don't feel like working on it, which leads us to the state it is currently in, broken all the time.

If you checked facts you would know that most bustage has been due to mozilla-central changes, not caused by thunderbird coders. And no "people don't feel like working on it" is quite false, we have more volunteer coders today than in the history of Thunderbird - and 6-10 of them actively (and pretty timely too) fixing build bustage.

Please don't persist in spreading FUD

I didn't say Thunderbird coders caused them, I said Thunderbird coders didn't fix them in a timely manner. Or do you really want to tell me that a team of programmers that works full time on a project would not have fixed the incompatablity issues with mozilla-central in a days time? I'm really not trying to pick on you guys or spread false rumours but it is a fact that every volunteer coder probably has a real job, too and therefore is not able to spend as much time on the project.

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Post Posted August 18th, 2014, 7:12 am

Stanzillla wrote:I didn't say Thunderbird coders caused them, I said Thunderbird coders didn't fix them in a timely manner. Or do you really want to tell me that a team of programmers that works full time on a project would not have fixed the incompatablity issues with mozilla-central in a days time?

You also said "this means people don't feel like working on it".

And yes, I do mean to tell you that the team of paid programmers we had 2 years ago would not have the tree 100% green or anything approximating that. Not everyone in a team of developers has the skills to fix every build issue. Plus, it takes time to gather facts, develop proper fix strategy, etc. And summer time makes it double worse because at any point in time a good percentage of people aren't available. Add to that the rate of breakage is increasing because Firefox devs are attempting to move their product aggressively forward, and it's not heard th understand that breakage will continue to tax the Thunderbird developers until conditions improve.

In short, it isn't just as simple as any developer instantly changing a few lines of code.

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Post Posted August 18th, 2014, 6:47 pm

wsm wrote:
Stanzillla wrote:I didn't say Thunderbird coders caused them, I said Thunderbird coders didn't fix them in a timely manner. Or do you really want to tell me that a team of programmers that works full time on a project would not have fixed the incompatablity issues with mozilla-central in a days time?

You also said "this means people don't feel like working on it".

And yes, I do mean to tell you that the team of paid programmers we had 2 years ago would not have the tree 100% green or anything approximating that. Not everyone in a team of developers has the skills to fix every build issue. Plus, it takes time to gather facts, develop proper fix strategy, etc. And summer time makes it double worse because at any point in time a good percentage of people aren't available. Add to that the rate of breakage is increasing because Firefox devs are attempting to move their product aggressively forward, and it's not heard th understand that breakage will continue to tax the Thunderbird developers until conditions improve.

In short, it isn't just as simple as any developer instantly changing a few lines of code.


I'm pretty sure that there are volunter devs that don't feel like working on the project every day and that is totally understandable and fine. This does not happen in a paid team, though.

While I don't want to be rude, I'd like to say that if the team you had 2 years ago did not have a person that was specialized on keeping the build system working, you were lacking such a person or even part of the team. And I do know that it is not as simple as changing a few lines of code here and there, still the reason why Thunderbird's development and stability is decreasing is the lack of a proper maintaining team.

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Post Posted August 20th, 2014, 5:18 am

By all means, please believe what you wish, and volunteer to plug the holes

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Post Posted August 20th, 2014, 9:47 am

Stanzillla wrote:
wsm wrote:
Stanzillla wrote:I didn't say Thunderbird coders caused them, I said Thunderbird coders didn't fix them in a timely manner. Or do you really want to tell me that a team of programmers that works full time on a project would not have fixed the incompatablity issues with mozilla-central in a days time?

You also said "this means people don't feel like working on it".

And yes, I do mean to tell you that the team of paid programmers we had 2 years ago would not have the tree 100% green or anything approximating that. Not everyone in a team of developers has the skills to fix every build issue. Plus, it takes time to gather facts, develop proper fix strategy, etc. And summer time makes it double worse because at any point in time a good percentage of people aren't available. Add to that the rate of breakage is increasing because Firefox devs are attempting to move their product aggressively forward, and it's not heard th understand that breakage will continue to tax the Thunderbird developers until conditions improve.

In short, it isn't just as simple as any developer instantly changing a few lines of code.


I'm pretty sure that there are volunter devs that don't feel like working on the project every day

Actually there are several.

Stanzillla wrote:This does not happen in a paid team, though.

An exact example of this happening is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1055926. The paid developer who is the proper choice to review the patch (from a volunteer) is on vacation for several more days.

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Post Posted August 21st, 2014, 10:35 am

Nothing a bigger and proper team could not solve, normally you have someone step in when you are out for vacation.

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Post Posted August 21st, 2014, 5:07 pm

muddydog wrote:Ah, I see. So many thanks and lots of appreciation to the non-employees who work for not enough love or money.

Ditto. Thanks to the volunteer developers for keeping Thunderbird going. It reminds me of Outlook Express in many ways, which was one of my better liked Microsoft programs.

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