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Post Posted September 17th, 2015, 5:28 pm

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[*]#1193200 [Thunderbird:Message Reader UI]-Remote content exceptions: Cannot add email address to blocklist with Block and Allow buttons; adding web site seems to succeed but also invisible [All]

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Post Posted September 17th, 2015, 5:42 pm

I have renewed the thread from the last post to the next 30 days

Beta 41b2 is released with the hibernate bug fixed (and It's not even October yet ) :D
Relnotes are Here

It seems like a very fine build
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Post Posted September 21st, 2015, 6:04 am

... and again - merge day! 8-)

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 8:34 am

42.0b1 is on hold regarding Mac - possibly related to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199957

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 11:54 am

rsx11m wrote:... and again - merge day! 8-)



I see, for Windows, a 42.0b1 (beta for what should be 38.4.0 someday. I see also Earlybird 43.0a2 as well as Daily 44.0a1 and they have been updating every day. But I have yet to see an update from release 38.2.0 to 38.3.0.

Am I missing something?

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 1:15 pm

Pretty simple. Keep these in mind

Release builds for TB do not happen always per calendar
Rellease builds for thunderbird do not happen exactly lock step with Firefox

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 2:09 pm

wsm wrote:Pretty simple. Keep these in mind

Release builds for TB do not happen always per calendar
Rellease builds for thunderbird do not happen exactly lock step with Firefox



Well that is obvious, and has been for some time, but I just found it odd that the beta for the next release preceded the update/patched actual stable release of the current stable released program. I gather that you do not find that odd?

I find it truly sad that Mozilla pulled the plug for the resources on the Thunderbird project and let these few 'citizen developers' (true name??) twisting in the wind.

This release, for example, is supposed to solve the 'I don't phone home for email' bug and the only version that does *not* do that is the current, stable(??) release numbered 38.2.0. Which, as I said, was not been fixed.

Me? I find that odd.

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 4:16 pm

The Tinsmith wrote:Well that is obvious, and has been for some time, but I just found it odd that the beta for the next release preceded the update/patched actual stable release of the current stable released program. I gather that you do not find that odd?

No, it's not odd. Releases for Thunderbird actually come from the "Extended Support (ESR)" branch, which currently is 38.x (was 31.x before, 45.x will be the next). Thus, the recent beta release isn't actually a beta for 38.3.0, but towards 45.0 once that ESR branch ends.

The main oddity is that Firefox keeps up a fairly decent pace making changes to the common code, without much regard to how it affect other applications, thus Thunderbird and SeaMonkey have to keep up with those (which was the main reason for switching to the slower-moving ESR release branch to start with). So, give the devs some slack, will you?

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 5:54 pm

No, it's not odd. Releases for Thunderbird actually come from the "Extended Support (ESR)" branch, which currently is 38.x (was 31.x before, 45.x will be the next). Thus, the recent beta release isn't actually a beta for 38.3.0, but towards 45.0 once that ESR branch ends.




Hmm. I see. I stand corrected. But. I still do not think that is the proper way to deal with updates.

Means? I, me, thinks it is wrong to update the trailers while the leader is still behind. It just does not feel correct. Why should the beta of the next potential release, some six months or so in the future, have a higher release number than the current stable release? To me? That just sounds wrong.

I am open for explanation(s) if you have the time.

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 6:52 pm

I'm not sure if I understand correctly which problem you are seeing, but 38.2.0 was built 13-Aug-2015 and 41.0b1 on 09-Sep-2015, which correspond to the same cycle. Current beta is 42.0b1, which was built yesterday and thus indeed ahead of 38.3.0 which isn't even tagged yet, that's true. The betas undergo less QA than the actual releases, or it may be just a matter of build resources available, I don't know what the reason was to build the next beta ahead of the release. Frequently they are still waiting for a specific fix before tagging the next release, to avoid a quick "dot" release following up to fix a current issue.

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Post Posted September 24th, 2015, 9:14 pm

The Tinsmith wrote:I find it truly sad that Mozilla pulled the plug for the resources on the Thunderbird project and let these few 'citizen developers' (true name??) twisting in the wind.

You are mistaken that we volunteers are twisting in the wind - we are getting plenty of resources and help from Mozilla and employees. We are, after all, building on their systems and using their automation. And most of us have been around for years and worked in various capacities along side the Mozilla staff who built previous releases. On the whole we are doing relatively fine. Still learning new things on every go, but that is to be expected. (which is not to say we couldn't use more volunteers in EVERY capacity)

rsx11m wrote:I'm not sure if I understand correctly which problem you are seeing, but 38.2.0 was built 13-Aug-2015 and 41.0b1 on 09-Sep-2015, which correspond to the same cycle. Current beta is 42.0b1, which was built yesterday and thus indeed ahead of 38.3.0 which isn't even tagged yet, that's true. The betas undergo less QA than the actual releases,

Actually we are doing the same QA for betas and *point* releases. However, when we approach major .0 versions the QA process is different.

rsx11m wrote:or it may be just a matter of build resources available, I don't know what the reason was to build the next beta ahead of the release. Frequently they are still waiting for a specific fix before tagging the next release, to avoid a quick "dot" release following up to fix a current issue.

Indeed, you are on the right track. Every week, indeed every day, the set of circumstances changes - resources, state of the branches, patches that we may decide to wait for or investigate, issues related to building, personal schedules, failures found during QA, etc. Add to that last minute changes or delays in what Firefox is doing that impact us. You name it, it happens.

In short we do betas and releases in an order and timing which best serves our cirumstances and users. Unfortunately not everything will seem logical to those not in possession of the information driving each shipping situation.

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Post Posted September 25th, 2015, 6:00 am

In short we do betas and releases in an order and timing which best serves our cirumstances and users. Unfortunately not everything will seem logical to those not in possession of the information driving each shipping situation.



I see. Thanks to you all for the information and explanations.

And to be perfectly clear at no time did I mean any disrespect to any of the developers nor to make light of their efforts.

I got lucky. "Curiosity killed the cat." All I got was some answers. :-)

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Post Posted September 25th, 2015, 6:02 am

no offense taken - just getting the info out there.

you seem to have a strong interest. I hope you contribute :)

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Post Posted September 25th, 2015, 11:11 am

wsm wrote:no offense taken - just getting the info out there.

you seem to have a strong interest. I hope you contribute :)



Sadly the only 'programming' I have ever done was typing Commodore 64 programs from magazines and a little GWBasic many years ago. As well as a little simple scripting in Linux.

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Post Posted September 26th, 2015, 7:33 am

I too am interested in the progress of ESR 38.3.0. In particular, I understand it should have the fix for Bug 1196662 (the hibernation bug) which is also fixed in Beta 41b2. What is the status on 38.3.0? Is there a target release date yet? This is a serious usability issue.

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