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Post Posted November 2nd, 2018, 8:20 pm

frg wrote:> What about Pale Moon? That is a good browser, and more like SeaMonkey (the browser part of it anyway).
FRG


What about Tobin's Borealis Browser? Apparently, he claims that Borealis is based on the browser component of SeaMonkey, and based on UXP. Did he actually seek permission for that?

More Here:
http://binaryoutcast.com/projects/borealis/
http://thereisonlyxul.org/#
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Post Posted November 2nd, 2018, 9:16 pm

JodyThornton wrote:
frg wrote:> What about Pale Moon? That is a good browser, and more like SeaMonkey (the browser part of it anyway).
FRG


What about Tobin's Borealis Browser? Apparently, he claims that Borealis is based on the browser component of SeaMonkey, and based on UXP. Did he actually seek permission for that?

More Here:
http://binaryoutcast.com/projects/borealis/
http://thereisonlyxul.org/#

Aren't his changes allowed by the Mozilla Public License?
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Post Posted November 2nd, 2018, 10:00 pm

Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?
Chrome-Dome is a poor excuse for a browser. It doesn't even have a Menu Bar which should be standard for any & all programs in spite of M$ 'toy phone' change in W7.

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Post Posted November 2nd, 2018, 10:28 pm

videobruce wrote:Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?

http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ for L64, W64 and Mac (don't know if M32, M64 or both).
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Post Posted November 7th, 2018, 11:54 am

tonymec wrote:Aren't his changes allowed by the Mozilla Public License?


Oh maybe. I never thought of that part :(
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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 7:25 am

> Did he actually seek permission for that?

Still a free open source world and he doesn't use the official branding :)

The macOS builds on Bills site are x64 only. They are cross compiled on Linux like the latest Firefox builds. They are unoffical but use my patch queues so any error here will probably end up in any official build later too. A 2.53 beta might appear when the official infra ewong is currently working on is ready. It is unlikely that a 2.53 release will be done because this would need l10n changes too. Mostly my pet project on the way to 2.57.

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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 10:32 am

I was having problems with 2.49.4 after installing macOS Mojave and
downloaded the unofficial 2.53. That fixed my problems, although
StayOpenMenu legacy add-on no longer works. All the other legacy
add-ons work ok.

Am I correct in thinking 2.57 will not support legacy add-ons? That
would leave me with the "unofficial" 2.53 - for as long as I can convice
myself it's safe enough.

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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 11:09 am

If you had problems with downloads hanging 2.49.4 in Mojave then 2.49.5 should have the fix.

2.57 will support legacy add-ons but they might need to be fixed up for changed and removed apis.

The TB devs put up a guide what changed:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Add-ons_Guide_57

2.57 will also support web extensions and not be released before this works. Which unfortunately means not soon.
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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 3:02 pm

videobruce wrote:Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?

2.53 you could find on the FTP website

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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 3:14 pm

Mouse4 wrote:
videobruce wrote:Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?

2.53 you could find on the FTP website

If you mean https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/ then that is not FTP as the FTP used to be ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/ before the FTP protocol was turned off Aug 5, 2015.

The SeaMonkey 2.53 being mentioned is on http://www.wg9s.com/ as was linked above.

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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 5:44 pm

still has FTP in the URL James. only diff is that it has https:// at the start

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Post Posted November 8th, 2018, 6:01 pm

Mouse4 wrote:still has FTP in the URL James. only diff is that it has https:// at the start

It is not considered FTP though as ftp:// was. However Mozilla prefers everybody use archive.mozilla.org anyways.

Saying you can get it on the FTP is misleading as people may think they can use a FTP client.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161006070213/https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2015/07/27/product-delivery-migration-what-is-changing-when-its-changing-and-the-impacts/
After 8/5/15, ftp protocol support for ftp.mozilla.org will be completely disabled and downloads can only be accessed through http/https.

Users will no longer be able to just enter “ftp.mozilla.org” into their browser, because this action defaults to the ftp protocol. Going forward, users should start using archive.mozilla.org. The old name will still work but needs to be entered in your browser as https://ftp.mozilla.org/

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Post Posted November 9th, 2018, 12:47 am

Don't use any build from there other than a release build (which you can also get from the website):

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.4/

2.53a1 from the nightly branch is half broken. Bills build has around 800 patches in and is at 2.49.4 and in some parts beyond level wrt security.

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Post Posted November 9th, 2018, 1:52 am

LewS wrote:... for as long as I can convince
myself it's safe enough.

Hi Lew,

You might find the following useful, it's an approach where you long-term pro-actively 'replace' the browser security instead of relying on the browser's own security and thus knowing that it will go EOL in terms of weeks or months - viewtopic.php?p=14805707#p14805707
Metal Lion latest SeaMonkey & Thunderbird Themes - Sea Monkey and Silver Sea Monkey
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke (attrib.)

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Post Posted November 9th, 2018, 8:36 am

@FrankLion - Thanks, but I was aware of that post and it was the plan.

Unfortunately, I had to replace my old Mac, and the latest came with
the latest and greatest OS, which didn't work with SeaMonkey book-
marks menus, so I took a shot with 2.53, which fixed the problem.

Now I plan to follow the plan with 2.53 - and good luck with that.

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