What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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Re: What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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frg wrote:> What about Pale Moon? That is a good browser, and more like SeaMonkey (the browser part of it anyway).
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What about Tobin's Borealis Browser? Apparently, he claims that Borealis is based on the browser component of SeaMonkey, and based on UXP. Did he actually seek permission for that?

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JodyThornton wrote:
frg wrote:> What about Pale Moon? That is a good browser, and more like SeaMonkey (the browser part of it anyway).
FRG
What about Tobin's Borealis Browser? Apparently, he claims that Borealis is based on the browser component of SeaMonkey, and based on UXP. Did he actually seek permission for that?

More Here:
http://binaryoutcast.com/projects/borealis/
http://thereisonlyxul.org/#
Aren't his changes allowed by the Mozilla Public License?
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Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?
Browsers that don't have a conventional horizontal Menu bar (where it's been for 25 years) are poorly designed. Period. Stop 'fixing' something that isn't broke!
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videobruce wrote:Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/ for L64, W64 and Mac (don't know if M32, M64 or both).
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tonymec wrote: Aren't his changes allowed by the Mozilla Public License?
Oh maybe. I never thought of that part :(
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Re: What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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> Did he actually seek permission for that?

Still a free open source world and he doesn't use the official branding :)

The macOS builds on Bills site are x64 only. They are cross compiled on Linux like the latest Firefox builds. They are unoffical but use my patch queues so any error here will probably end up in any official build later too. A 2.53 beta might appear when the official infra ewong is currently working on is ready. It is unlikely that a 2.53 release will be done because this would need l10n changes too. Mostly my pet project on the way to 2.57.

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Re: What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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I was having problems with 2.49.4 after installing macOS Mojave and
downloaded the unofficial 2.53. That fixed my problems, although
StayOpenMenu legacy add-on no longer works. All the other legacy
add-ons work ok.

Am I correct in thinking 2.57 will not support legacy add-ons? That
would leave me with the "unofficial" 2.53 - for as long as I can convice
myself it's safe enough.
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Re: What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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If you had problems with downloads hanging 2.49.4 in Mojave then 2.49.5 should have the fix.

2.57 will support legacy add-ons but they might need to be fixed up for changed and removed apis.

The TB devs put up a guide what changed:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Add-ons_Guide_57

2.57 will also support web extensions and not be released before this works. Which unfortunately means not soon.
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videobruce wrote:Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?
2.53 you could find on the FTP website
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Mouse4 wrote:
videobruce wrote:Am I missing something here? On numerous software sites v2.49 is shown to be the latest that came out in July '18. What/where is this v2.53 or is that some beta version?
2.53 you could find on the FTP website
If you mean https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/ then that is not FTP as the FTP used to be ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/ before the FTP protocol was turned off Aug 5, 2015.

The SeaMonkey 2.53 being mentioned is on http://www.wg9s.com/ as was linked above.
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still has FTP in the URL James. only diff is that it has https:// at the start
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Mouse4 wrote:still has FTP in the URL James. only diff is that it has https:// at the start
It is not considered FTP though as ftp:// was. However Mozilla prefers everybody use archive.mozilla.org anyways.

Saying you can get it on the FTP is misleading as people may think they can use a FTP client.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161006070 ... e-impacts/
After 8/5/15, ftp protocol support for ftp.mozilla.org will be completely disabled and downloads can only be accessed through http/https.

Users will no longer be able to just enter “ftp.mozilla.org” into their browser, because this action defaults to the ftp protocol. Going forward, users should start using archive.mozilla.org. The old name will still work but needs to be entered in your browser as https://ftp.mozilla.org/
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Re: What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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Don't use any build from there other than a release build (which you can also get from the website):

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.4/

2.53a1 from the nightly branch is half broken. Bills build has around 800 patches in and is at 2.49.4 and in some parts beyond level wrt security.
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LewS wrote:... for as long as I can convince
myself it's safe enough.
Hi Lew,

You might find the following useful, it's an approach where you long-term pro-actively 'replace' the browser security instead of relying on the browser's own security and thus knowing that it will go EOL in terms of weeks or months - http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic ... #p14805707
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Re: What happens after Firefox 52/60 ESR is unsupported?

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@FrankLion - Thanks, but I was aware of that post and it was the plan.

Unfortunately, I had to replace my old Mac, and the latest came with
the latest and greatest OS, which didn't work with SeaMonkey book-
marks menus, so I took a shot with 2.53, which fixed the problem.

Now I plan to follow the plan with 2.53 - and good luck with that.

Edit 12/14: Unofficial 2.49.5 fixed the problem I was having with
bookmarks menus so I reverted to it. No apparent differences I can
see for normal browsing between the two.
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