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Post Posted November 4th, 2007, 7:04 am

Why would Netscape 9 remove Suitemonkey? It did so without telling me -- much less asking if that was ok. I vaguely recall years ago that I could not upgrade to Netscape 6.0 because of conflicts with Mozilla which I also had...but removing Suitemonkey silently? Netscape 9 is full of bugs...serious ones. If I had known it would uninstall SuiteMonkey, I wouldn't have tried it...it is way too buggy to use besides not nearly as nice as SeaMonkey.

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Post Posted November 4th, 2007, 8:00 am

-> MozillaZine Tech.
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Post Posted November 4th, 2007, 11:14 am

Scarlettrunner20 wrote:Why would Netscape 9 remove Suitemonkey? It did so without telling me -- much less asking if that was ok. I vaguely recall years ago that I could not upgrade to Netscape 6.0 because of conflicts with Mozilla which I also had...but removing Suitemonkey silently? Netscape 9 is full of bugs...serious ones. If I had known it would uninstall SuiteMonkey, I wouldn't have tried it...it is way too buggy to use besides not nearly as nice as SeaMonkey.
What makes you think it removes Suitemonkey, er, SeaMonkey?

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Post Posted November 4th, 2007, 7:08 pm

jasonb wrote:-> MozillaZine Tech.


Is that supposed to be a link? It's not showing up that way...but I am on my very old 98SE computer at the moment rather than my XP Pro computer.

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Post Posted November 4th, 2007, 7:12 pm

What Jasonb meant was that this topic has been moved to Tech... But, however, as it is a Netscape issue, it belongs in Other Applications/Distributions. So I am going to move it there....
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Post Posted November 4th, 2007, 7:30 pm

Philip Chee wrote:
Scarlettrunner20 wrote:Why would Netscape 9 remove Suitemonkey? It did so without telling me -- much less asking if that was ok. I vaguely recall years ago that I could not upgrade to Netscape 6.0 because of conflicts with Mozilla which I also had...but removing Suitemonkey silently? Netscape 9 is full of bugs...serious ones. If I had known it would uninstall SuiteMonkey, I wouldn't have tried it...it is way too buggy to use besides not nearly as nice as SeaMonkey.
What makes you think it removes Suitemonkey, er, SeaMonkey?

Phil


I installed Netscape 9 out of curiosity due to a thread in the Mozilla forum at dslreports. (Much of the offensive EULA is gone in version 9. I never installed Netscape 8 because of the EULA). Netscape 9 is just Fx rebranded and a couple of things added..a mini browser and links bar. After I installed it and could not get any extensions installed even after bumping them (although my Fx theme installed fine), I shut it down and was going to start up SuiteMonkey and it was not in QuickStart...hmmm....so I went looking for it and the entire directory is gone. It was there before I installed Netscape 9 so I think Netscape uninstalled it. It's no big loss as SuiteMonkey 2.0a1pre is not very usable at this early stage, plus, I need to install a more recent nightly anyway and I will be uninstalling Netscape. I don't know if Netscape does this to the official SeaMonkey (as I don't have it on the virtual machine where I installed Netscape) but I would be leery of installing Netscape 9 if I was user who has either SeaMonkey or SuiteMonkey installed.

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Post Posted November 5th, 2007, 4:21 am

I have been testing NN9 since the betas. And I just installed 9.0.0.3 and all my SeaMonkey installations (1.0.9, 1.1.6, 1.5a, and 2.0a) are still intact. Are you talking about the desktop shortcuts, or start menu items, or the actual SeaMonkey installation?

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Post Posted November 5th, 2007, 5:40 am

I'm talking about the actual installation. I recall conflicts with Mozilla 1.5 (I think it was) and Netscape 7. I couldn't install both Mozilla 1.5 and Netscape 7 as Netscape would uninstall Mozilla. (This was not the profile conflict that affected Fx and Mozilla about that same time).
Since you have had no problems, I think I will revert to an earlier snapshot and install Netscape again and see what happens, but not tonight.

I didn't have Netscape long enough to confirm or disconfirm, but someone at dslreports has stated that, after much testing, they are convinced that Netscape 9 has solved the Fx and SeaMonkey memory leak. Is this true? I've gotten so used to Fx and Seamonkey (official version not SuiteMonkey builds) using 350,000k + on a regular basis that I wouldn't know what to do if that was fixed. :D Fx and SeaMonkey use more memory than VMware Workstation 5.5 with two virtual computers running so if Netscape has actually fixed the problem that is huge news. I'm thinking of the many users who find the memory leak puzzling and frustrating. I know what causes much of the high memory usage for me but others are not using the extension that I know causes much of it for me and for them there is no clear cause...just the irritation.

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Post Posted November 5th, 2007, 7:14 am

Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.3 uses exactly the same codebase as Firefox 2.0.0.9 and SeaMonkey 1.1.6 so anything that leaks in Firefox 2.0.0.9 or SeaMonkey 1.1.6 will leak in NN 9.0.0.3. Most of the leaks these days come from extensions so perhaps what you are seeing is a lack of extensions for NN9.

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Post Posted November 5th, 2007, 6:06 pm

Yes, I think unless someone can install the same profile and exactly the same extensions and theme on Netscape that they have on Fx and/or SeaMonkey that they can't really compare them in regards to memory leaks. I don't think I could get the extension that causes the memory "problem" for me to even install on Netscape 9 so I can't test that but perhaps some who can get all extensions, etc. installed on Netscape will see that the memory leak is there also. I think for comparison purposes there is also the possiblity that an extension for Fx might behave differently on Netscape. I know my Fx theme installed easily on Netscape but I had no linksbar or mini browser after installing the theme. I didn't notice any other problems though with using the theme.

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Post Posted November 5th, 2007, 6:16 pm

Philip Chee wrote:Netscape Navigator 9.0.0.3 uses exactly the same codebase as Firefox 2.0.0.9 and SeaMonkey 1.1.6 so anything that leaks in Firefox 2.0.0.9 or SeaMonkey 1.1.6 will leak in NN 9.0.0.3. Most of the leaks these days come from extensions so perhaps what you are seeing is a lack of extensions for NN9.

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How can that be possible. I'm using NN9 with almost the same extensions as FF 2.0.0.9 - No memory leak problem. Here is the list of extensions I'm using.

NN9
*** Extensions (enabled: 17, disabled: 0; total: 17)
Adblock Plus 0.7.5.3
Advanced Bookmark Search 0.3
Bookmark Duplicate Detector 0.6.3
BugMeNot 1.3
CustomizeGoogle 0.63
Download Statusbar 0.9.5.1
Image Zoom 0.3
InfoLister 0.9f.2
OpenBook 1.3.4.1
Paste and Go 2 0.8
PDF Download 0.9.3.2
SafeCache 0.9
ShowIP 0.8.05
Sort Bookmarks 0.7.0
Text size toolbar 0.6.2
TinyUrl Creator 1.0.4
Update Notifier 0.1.5.3

Firefox

*** Extensions (enabled: 21, disabled: 0; total: 21)
Adblock Plus 0.7.5.3
Advanced Bookmark Search 0.3
Bookmark Duplicate Detector 0.6.3
BugMeNot 1.3
CustomizeGoogle 0.63
Download Statusbar 0.9.5.1
Image Zoom 0.3
InfoLister 0.9f.2
Java Console 6.0.03
Menu Editor 1.2.3.3
MR Tech Local Install 5.3.2.6
OpenBook 1.3.4.1
Paste and Go 2 0.8
PDF Download 0.9.3.2
SafeCache 0.9
ShowIP 0.8.05
Sort Bookmarks 0.5.0.1
Tab Mix Plus 0.3.6
Text size toolbar 0.6.2
TinyUrl Creator 1.0.4
Update Notifier 0.1.5.3

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Post Posted November 11th, 2007, 3:26 am

I'm a bit confused here, but is SuiteMonkey an actual name for an application? I mean, like Iceape and such?
If so, if could be that Netscape believes, because of the way SuiteMonkey identifies itself, that SuiteMonkey is really an older version of Netscape Navigator that needs to be uninstalled.
Just guessing.

For me personally, I always keep a large number of browsers on my system and I never have had any problems with one browser killing off another.

Why does the phrase "browser wars" come to mind?
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Post Posted November 11th, 2007, 4:13 am

Pim wrote:I'm a bit confused here, but is SuiteMonkey an actual name for an application?
It was a typo by the OP. I was just being sardonic. Sorry about that.

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Post Posted November 11th, 2007, 5:37 am

OK, but then the question isn't answered. It never happened to me. And I can't recall earlier reports about his happening.
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Post Posted November 11th, 2007, 5:51 am

Pim wrote:OK, but then the question isn't answered. It never happened to me. And I can't recall earlier reports about his happening.
Me, neither. And I have three versions of SeaMonkey and one version of Mozilla Suite installed not to mention I also have NS8 and NS8.1 installed. And I've been testing Netscape Navigator 9 since the first public beta. And none of the times I've installed a new version of NN9 has anything like this ever happen.

Phil (perhaps something to do with the phase of the moon)

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