Brendan Eich claims to "fix" the web with an ad browser

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I'd never seen that before. Thanks.
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Wonder if Arthur ever thought about security?
Were people as skeptical about Firefox when it first came about, I only go back to version .9?
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Grumpus wrote: Were people as skeptical about Firefox when it first came about, I only go back to version .9?
I wasn't. I had recently joined a computer club, and we were advised by one instructor, "Using IE is like running your electric toothbrush and your circular saw on the same wire," and he gave us reasons. I switched to Netscape, never looked back, and at some point slid easily into FF, I think when they stopped developing Netscape (Was it after 7.2?)

You would have to set up a huge survey to measure skepticism among users.

Would you try out Brave on a spare computer, maybe sandboxed?
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I wasn't either and that was back at 0.6.
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@LoveMyFoxy - I don't see any reason not to try it but would like to see a bit more of it first.
It's coming up on time to change one OS and add another for testing so it might be worthwhile to place it on one of those to see what happens.
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This is taking user profiling to the "next level".
The idea has possibly its merits, as you will be seeing (if it works) only stuff of interest to you instead of the usual massive amount of nonsense and gross advertising - but still, that's the cogent definition of user tracking and profiling.

Maybe those Collusion/Lightbeam experiments have paid off somehow (and Directory tiles as well), as built-in systems to gather data "locally" and learn about user preferences.

Being built as it is on Chromium, I would call this experiment a tuned-up Chromium - in every way, especially as far as tracking goes.
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It seems to be a trend to control content these days not only with browsers but in general the ISPs seem to need this for revenue and bandwidth control.
I dislike "suggestions" if they have a mercantile intent laying in the background and it shows a questionable marketing intent which defeats the educational and research concepts of the Internet. If this is completely user controlled and not a simulation of user control as masked marketing and content manipulation it may very well be a help as some of the detritus when searching might be dumped although sometimes the detritus triggers the thought processes.
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Clarke did foresee a phone with a screen that could communicate over long distances. But I find it amazing that in countless books and films in the 100 or so years before 1990, no one predicted the WWW.
Mark Twain, Jules Verne and HG Wells predicted the internet or at least a form of it.
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And Isaac Asimov. I guess LoveMyFoxy is not as wide read as he thinks
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...and Pliny the Elder.
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William Gibson with his Neuromancer in 1984. Internet was in its infancy and WWW was developed 5 years later.
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Y'all left out John Dee.
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Not really much imagination or prediction skills required to see the theoretical uses of something that had already been done as a working proof of concept in 1816 by the electrostatic telegraph, i.e. is it possible to send digital signals from one place to another, in that case 8 miles away, and they wouldn't be total gibberish at the other end? Yes, it was.

Every time you watch a Western film and see the guy going into the telegraph office and the wizened old guy, with the sun shade over his eyes, tapping out the Morse code messages, you are seeing the birth of the Internet. Not much imagination required to see that if you could, at some point in the future, replace those old telegraph guys with machines then those machines could communicate with each other. Later came the fax machine, etc.

Really, the only limiting of actuality is not one of invention, but one of need, demand and profit. For example, in the 1950's why were there so few telephones in private houses, because there wasn't the technology? No, there wasn't the need. Seems odd to us now, but as recently as the 1930's many people didn't even see the need even for electricity in their homes and electric companies were paying for radio ads in the USA to convince people they should have it.

Later came the computer and later still, in the late 1960's and after, came interconnected computers. After that, all that was required was confirmation that there was need/demand/profit in the concept of computers in the homes of the general public. This was done by Sinclair and others and from that point on the reality of the Internet was not so much an invention, but an inevitability.
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How did them folks without electricity hear the electric company ads on the radio?
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I guess the fridge was a major argument to get electricity. ;-)
The only need required to transform the telegraph into the internet was the need to talk to someone else.
And there are earlier nets available: silk road, tribe gatherings, markets and fairs etc. They are all used to pass information. The only thing changed is the speed and amount to exchange.
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