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greybeard2012
 
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Post Posted June 21st, 2020, 6:18 pm

This isn't a recent problem its one that I've been having with FF ever since I decided to use the most up to date version on one particular PC. Currently v77.0.1.

Despite unticking the Active Logins in the Delete History options it still deletes any forum logins, like this one, when I use it. If I disable any other Delete History settings its doesn't delete the browsing history properly and even offers me the option of restoring the previous session.

That is just stupidly contradictory.

Even if, with the logins on the forums concerned, I tick the box to Remember Me it seems I'm logged out on reboot of FF if I've used any Delete History option. Yet at the same time my browsing history can be retained.

I thought initially it was a CCleaner issue as I use that at the end of each day/session. That has the option to save the cookies for any website you're logged in on and will keep them until they expire. Problem is that FF now seems to stymie this feature of CCleaner completely.

I've tested it and this is entirely a FF matter. It seems you can only delete all your history properly if it includes all your logins cookies too. I just can not find any setting combination in Options that does what pre-v57 FF did so easily: keep my forum login cookies whilst deleting everything else.

As I said in another post here I've tried using customised location cleaning by editing the ccleaner.ini and it works for removing user Profile session checkpoints and session store in AppData > Roaming but somehow, somewhere else FF stores previous session data and back it comes. It is getting damned annoying because if I've told FF itself to delete my session history it shouldn't be able to do that.

Its almost as though FF is trying to force you to use its 'Lockwise' facility now to store your active logins when in pre-v57 FF you didn't need to do that. Active login cookies were kept because it was an option in the settings menu. That option has gone and now there is only 'Lockwise' which is not the same thing. Its not really a cookie manager its a password manager ie. it saves your password and login name too.

I do not like that.

Is there any solution to fixing this without using Lockwise or other password manager?

jscher2000

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Post Posted June 22nd, 2020, 10:27 am

"Active Logins" isn't as broad as it sounds, it only refers to HTTP Authentication prompts. All your form-based logins are maintained by cookies.

What is your cookie strategy now? I suggest this combination of settings:

Options page > Privacy & Security > Cookies and Site Data section

Check the box for "Delete cookies and site data when Firefox is closed"

That forces the cookie lifetime on all newly set cookies to "Session". (Before Firefox 56, this control for cookie lifetime arguably had clearer labeling: "Keep until: they expire" vs. "Keep until: Firefox closes")

If a site should be allowed to set persistent cookies, add an exception using either the Page Info dialog (while on that site: Ctrl+i, Permissions, "Set Cookies", uncheck "Use default" and click "Allow") or the Manage Permissions dialog (use principal syntax of protocol + domain, e.g., http://forums.mozilla.org ).

Note: this lifetime permission also gates some storage features, so Outlook mail sites, for example, do not work correctly without an Allow exception.

Options page > Privacy & Security > History section

With "Firefox will: Use custom settings for history":

If you use "Clear history when Firefox closes" click the settings button and make sure to UNCHECK cookies here. This function ignores all the exceptions you created in the other section of the page and flushes all cookies, so it's not what you need. **EDIT** As noted below, make sure to also UNCHECK Site Preferences to avoid deleting the permissions you set earlier.

This approach has been working for me for many years since I gave up using that annoying prompt asking me to approve/disapprove every darned cookie.
Last edited by jscher2000 on June 22nd, 2020, 5:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

dickvl

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Post Posted June 22nd, 2020, 1:47 pm

If you use "Clear history when Firefox closes" click the settings button and make sure to UNCHECK cookies here. This function ignores all the exceptions you created in the other section of the page and flushes all cookies, so it's not what you need.


Note that you need to exclude the Site Preferences as well because clearing the SP removes all exceptions.

jscher2000

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Post Posted June 22nd, 2020, 5:38 pm

dickvl wrote:
If you use "Clear history when Firefox closes" click the settings button and make sure to UNCHECK cookies here. This function ignores all the exceptions you created in the other section of the page and flushes all cookies, so it's not what you need.


Note that you need to exclude the Site Preferences as well because clearing the SP removes all exceptions.

Excellent point!

greybeard2012
 
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Post Posted June 23rd, 2020, 5:19 pm

Thanks for the replies.

I'll try these suggestions and keep my fingers crossed that it works.

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