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Post Posted March 12th, 2018, 10:02 am

Hi Doug,
Alright, I created the Spam folder; but strangely enough the Spam identified by my web mail account is now showing up in my Bulk Mail folder. Oh well, problem solved.
Thank you very much for your patience and guidance.
...... john

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Post Posted March 16th, 2018, 9:05 am

Hi,
I find IMAP to be very slow, much slower than POP.
Is that the experience of others?
..... john

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Post Posted March 16th, 2018, 1:18 pm

IMAP is a touch slower in displaying messages because the message bodies are stored on the server and must be downloaded in order to display them. On a system with decent connections it shouldn't be all that noticable unless the sever itself is over-commited and thus slow.

Don't know if this affects SeaMonkey, but when I switched from Win 7 to Win 10 I found my IMAP accounts on Thunderbird got very sluggish. What solved it for me was:

Tools | Options | Advanced | General
UNcheck: Allow Windows search to search messages
Doug Wilson, "The Makai Guy"
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Post Posted March 22nd, 2018, 6:17 am

Hi Doug,
Well, I applied, what I think is, Windows 7 equivalent of "UNcheck: Allow Windows search to search messages" and set "Clean up Inbox on exit" in SeaMonkey mail, which was recommended somewhere else. And those two seem to have sped things up considerably. I think now I'm getting the hang of it, and am beginning to see the advantages of IMAP.
Thanks again for your help.
.... john

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Post Posted March 22nd, 2018, 7:44 am

shakushinnen wrote:I applied, what I think is, Windows 7 equivalent of "UNcheck: Allow Windows search to search messages"
I think you meant the Seamonkey equivalent

and set "Clean up Inbox on exit" in SeaMonkey mail, which was recommended somewhere else. And those two seem to have sped things up considerably. I think now I'm getting the hang of it, and am beginning to see the advantages of IMAP.
Thanks again for your help.
.... john

I'm glad it's all working out for you. That's what we do around here.. try to help each other as much as possible.

For me, the biggest benefit of IMAP is that all three of the devices I use for email (desktop computer, phone, and tablet) all have access to the same messages without me having to jump through a bunch of different hoops.
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Post Posted March 22nd, 2018, 10:41 am

Hi Doug,
No, I must have misunderstood your comment about what to UNcheck. I thought you were referring to Windows 10; so I looked for the equivalent in Windows 7.
In Windows 7 Folder Options "What to search" there are two choices:
"In indexed locations, search the names and contents. In non indexed locations, search the file names only" or "Always search file names and contents (this might take several minutes)" I chose the first option.
Yes, I can see what you mean about it's advantages to you. For me, it's simply that IMAP more accurately reflects what's in my ISP's online mail folders
..... john

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Post Posted April 11th, 2018, 7:21 am

Hi Doug,
The IMAP works pretty well on the whole. Every once in a while I get this "The current operation on 'Bulk Mail' did not succeed. The mail server for account IMAP responded: [UNAVAILABLE] UID FETCH Server error while fetching messages." and am unable to get or send mail for a while, usually no more than a day. I've scanned the net for an answer, but most people seem to say that it's one of those things that comes and goes and don't really know what to do about it. Do you have any thoughts about it?
Thanks,
...... john
P.S. We're talking about SeaMonkey mail here.

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Post Posted April 11th, 2018, 7:38 am

John, I tried IMAP for a while and didn't like the automatic actions it was taking, plus the fact it is slower. I went back to POP, happily.
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Post Posted April 11th, 2018, 11:10 am

Hi Pete,
I must admit I prefer POP. Yes, it is much faster; but using POP necessitates visiting my ISP's site to see what mails it has mistakenly added to my Junk folder. (IMAP shows these.) If I have to do that, I will probably just go there to manage my mail, and forget using a mail client. You must have a better ISP; mine REFUSES to stop passing judgement on the status of my mail.
You say 'automatic actions'. To what are you referring?
Hi Doug,
The problem I mentioned above has resolved itself, without any action from me. Other people have said that this is an ISP issue, not IMAP.
.... john

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Post Posted April 11th, 2018, 11:12 am

John, the spam I receive are very few and rarely of any consequence; thus, I don't check my spam folder very often. I wouldn't want IMAP to retrieve them.
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Post Posted April 11th, 2018, 11:50 am

Hi Pete,
I wish it were that simple with mine. My ISP often weeds out non spam messages. If fact, if I hadn't checked my 'Bulk' folder, I wouldn't have seen your reply.
.... john

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Post Posted April 12th, 2018, 6:45 am

John, I'm surprised to hear that your ISP limits what messages you receive on a public board like this.
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Post Posted April 12th, 2018, 7:11 am

Hi Pete,
They don't actually limit them, they simply insist on deciding what is spam and what is not. So, when I use POP, I have to go to their site to see what they've weeded out, which are quite often legitimate messages. I have asked them to stop doing it, but they refuse to stop. If POP were able to access my spam folder, I'd happily revert to it.
... john
P.S. In case anyone is interested, Rogers is my ISP

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Post Posted April 12th, 2018, 10:53 am

John, I've just never heard of an ISP intercepting messages posted on a public bulletin board like this...email, yes, but public postings, no!
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Post Posted April 12th, 2018, 11:13 am

Hi Pete,
Sorry I was referring to my email provider.
.... john

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