Semonkey questions

[mozzyx]

When SM will start using newer engine than "ancient" 60? I ask cause for example adblock (or ublock) don't support Seamonkey anymore and would be nice to do clean install of Seamonkey and get ABP back.

[Frank Lion]

I ask cause for example adblock (or ublock) don't support Seamonkey anymore

Yeah? I'm using UBlock Origin version 1.16.4.28 with the latest SM version.

[davidb_sk]

When SM will start using newer engine than "ancient" 60?

What "newer engine" do you suggest?

SeaMonkey is SeaMonkey for a reason. It isn't Chrome or Firefox and I hope it stays that way.

[therube]

uBlock for SeaMonkey: firefox-legacy-1.16.4.28

[Peter Creasey]

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[mozzyx]

I ask cause for example adblock (or ublock) don't support Seamonkey anymore

Yeah? I'm using UBlock Origin version 1.16.4.28 with the latest SM version.

Well I happen to like ABP for SM addresses/etc to be blocked not blocking element like in UBlock (no updates for SM) and new ABP.

When SM will start using newer engine than "ancient" 60?

What "newer engine" do you suggest?

SeaMonkey is SeaMonkey for a reason. It isn't Chrome or Firefox and I hope it stays that way.

Well some sites don't work with SM due it has so old engine (not compatible or something like that) and no add-ons (don't need others than ABP) so like I said on 1st post if I have to do clean install of SM (haven't done 1 since installed Win10 after Win7 support ended so yea quite old) then I couldn't get ABP back unless downloading it on some not fully trusted 3rd party site.

[ixander]

The reason people use SeaMonkey is because it's not like the newer versions of Firefox. So I hope it never starts imitating the newer engine.

I've heard that the devs intend to add support for WebExtensions, which would allow you to install ABP from the Mozilla add-ons page, but they have almost no budget and not many people on their team, so they can't do a whole lot right now.

[ElTxolo]

.... I ask cause for example adblock (or ublock) don't support Seamonkey anymore and would be nice to do clean install of Seamonkey and get ABP back.

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  - Extensions (Add-ons) and Themes:
  
  [*].... Adblock Plus 2.9.1 may cause huge memory and CPU consumption and is not recommended or officially supported in this SeaMonkey version.
  Consider switching to uBlock.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

[TPR75]

Extensions (Add-ons) and Themes:

[*].... Adblock Plus 2.9.1 may cause huge memory and CPU consumption and is not recommended or officially supported in this SeaMonkey version.
Consider switching to uBlock.

"May cause" not "will cause". I tested both and I didn't saw any differences in CPU usage. But ADB+ has "Blockable items" windows:



... from which I can see what was blocked and what was not and manage them. I didn't find such easy and user friendly function in uOrigin.

I'm not using filter lists from Internet. I have my own list. I'm deciding what I want to block.

[Justinh]

The reason people use SeaMonkey is because it's not like the newer versions of Firefox. So I hope it never starts imitating the newer engine.

I don't understand this. I don't think people use SeaMonkey because it doesn't have the latest rendering engine or JS engine or performance, but that is what you are saying. Who uses a browser because it doesn't have the latest rendering technology and web standards compatibility? If that were true, we'd all be using Internet Explorer!

I'd think we use SM because of the functionality and UX and app integrations. I'd love to have the rendering engine updated to support the newer web technologies.

Okay, Mr. Lion, your turn...

[frg]

There is no new engine like Quantum or any such thing. It is all marketing. Most of it was already in 56.
A tremendous amount of stuff was already ported. Mostly groundwork.

The choice can be to go with the tide and just update to current level. Then bye bye full themes, classic extensions, bookmark descriptions, lots of ui features and other stuff. Even this would take some time and no 2.57 then. And it is a rat race with google pushing features and Mozilla agreeing and implementing them almost always.

What is actually not in (notable):
stylo style system written in rust. Blocks newer css but slowly added.
Webrender. Graphics backend written in rust. Was only made stable lately and not really something I like to add. Nevertheless added to 2.53 and up over time now.
e10s multiprocess.
wasm aka. the new java for hackers to take over your system
Web Components. A slower and bloated web powered by google. Stylo support in needed currently.
lots of newer javascript stuff
Full web extension support.

We add what we can you can be sure of it

Just decide:
- 2-3 years working on catchup only and no updates
- updates at the current level and slow catchup.
- just retire SeaMonkey.

Pick 1 only.

[ndebord]

There is no new engine like Quantum or any such thing. It is all marketing. Most of it was already in 56.
A tremendous amount of stuff was already ported. Mostly groundwork.

The choice can be to go with the tide and just update to current level. Then bye bye full themes, classic extensions, bookmark descriptions, lots of ui features and other stuff. Even this would take some time and no 2.57 then. And it is a rat race with google pushing features and Mozilla agreeing and implementing them almost always.

What is actually not in (notable):
stylo style system written in rust. Blocks newer css but slowly added.
Webrender. Graphics backend written in rust. Was only made stable lately and not really something I like to add. Nevertheless added to 2.53 and up over time now.
e10s multiprocess.
wasm aka. the new java for hackers to take over your system
Web Components. A slower and bloated web powered by google. Stylo support in needed currently.
lots of newer javascript stuff
Full web extension support.

We add what we can you can be sure of it

Just decide:
- 2-3 years working on catchup only and no updates
- updates at the current level and slow catchup.
- just retire SeaMonkey.

Pick 1 only.

frg,

Why should I ever give up on SeaMonkey unless the developers are unable to implement security and bug fixes with our older Gecko engine?

With Open in Chrome, IE View and Standalone, I have SeaMonkey, Vivaldi (my Chrome alternative), MS Edge Dev (another Chrome alternative) and WaterFox (my Firefox alternative). Right click and I have almost as many choices as there are available out there.

The plus factor is XUL, which means my XUL toolbar is completely full of extensions that make my day: from left to right: Home Page, Close Open Tab, Open a New Tab, Reload current page, Close all tabs but the selected one, Restart Application, Open History Menu, Stop Loading this Page, Open Favourite Page, Print this Page, View your Profile Folder, Open About Config..., Open Options, SQL Manager, Translate current page..., Open the Save Password dialog, microRSS Feed Reader, Show Bookmark Toolbar Menu, Open Application to Read News, Open Google Mail, Open Application to Read Mail [seamonkey.exe -mail], Open in Chrome [Vivaldi], View this Page in IE [MS Edge Dev], Open Yahoo Mail, Open Twitter Home Page, Go to Facebook, Load Wikipedia...,
Open eBay, etc.

Toolbar Buttons (1.0.2.1) gives me some of the extra icons to do all this.

The only other browser that comes close, albeit without XUL is Waterfox with web extensions.

It took me quite a bit of time to list all the toolbar buttons that I have currently in use in SeaMonkey, but it is way more than worth it to emphasize just how valuable XUL is, even though Mozilla has dumped it into the dumpster.

Just sayin'

Nick

[Frank Lion]

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....Just sayin'

Yep, all sounds about right to me.

[ndebord]

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....Just sayin'

Yep, all sounds about right to me.

Frank,

You're absolutely freakin' correct!

Nick

[mozzyx]

- Extensions (Add-ons) and Themes:

[*].... Adblock Plus 2.9.1 may cause huge memory and CPU consumption and is not recommended or officially supported in this SeaMonkey version.
Consider switching to uBlock.

Well no problems with ABP and high memory usage with SM (besides on 1 site (but that's because site is designed to "modern" browsers and either works somewhat with SM or not).

Old post but still.