Outgoing Mail on MSN Live server

[Johnfull]

I just switched from Earthlink dial-up to Qwest 7Mbs DSL and cannot
get the server to accept my outgoing mail. They seem to know nothing
of Seamonkey, though they have heard of Thunderbird. Is there a
specific port to use? A specific Description to use?

[steviex]

The same settings they recommend for Thunderbird should work for SeaMonkey....

[Johnfull]

It doesn't, though.

[Johnfull]

1.) Open Thunderbird and click on Tools.
2.) Then click on Account Settings. Click on Add Account.
3.) Put a bullet next to Email account.
4.) Then click on Next.
5.) Type in whatever you want for Your Name.
6.) Then type in your Email Address.
7.) Then click on Next.
8.) Put the bullet next to POP.
9.) Then type in pop3.live.com for the Incoming Server.
10.) Then click on Next.
11.) Type in your whole e-mail address for the Incoming User Name.
12.) Then click on Next.
13.) Type in whatever you want for the Account Name.
14.) Then click Next.

Analyst John(Fri Sep 19 05:24:30 PDT 2008)>15.)Click Finish.
16.) Highlight Server Settings.
17.) Then put a bullet next to SSL under Use secure connection which will
change the port to 995.
18.) Highlight Outgoing Server(SMTP).
19.) Then click on Add if you don't have an outgoing server yet
20.) Type in whatever you want for the Description, type smtp.live.com for
the Server Name and the port defaults to 25.
21.) Then check the box next to Use name and password and for the username
put in your entire @q.com e-mail address.
22.) Then put a bullet next to TLS.
23.) Then click OK.
24.) Highlight the Outgoing Server you want to send from.
25.) Then click Set Default because which ever one is the default is the
one e-mail is sent from. Now that you have the right one setup as the
default click on OK.
26.) And then click on Get Mail to get your new messages.

[rsx11m]

1.) Open Thunderbird and click on Tools.
2.) Then click on Account Settings. Click on Add Account.
3.) ...

This is where Thunderbird and SeaMonkey differ. "Tools > Account Settings" in Thunderbird corresponds to "Edit > Mail & News Account Settings" from the mail/news window in SeaMonkey. Anything following after that step should be the same.

[Johnfull]

There is something else going on here.
My new highspeed provider -- Qwest -- has subcontracted with MSN for email hosting.
MSN is trying to compete with Google in providing its Hotmail in a way that can be
downloaded to pop mail programs like Seamonkey and Outlook. The new 'live' version
of Hotmail has been problematic even as a webpage with Seamonkey. They are
constantly telling me to upgrade my program to the latest IE or Thunderbird and they
are constantly switching back to 'classic' old-style Hotmail because Seamonkey can't
handle the new features.
And now they are telling me that Seamonkey can't handle the pop3.live.com either.
So, are they flexing their monopolistic muscles yet again -- while the world is
distracted by wars and economic turmoil -- or is Seamonkey lagging behind?
One clue is that Outlook Express 6x will also not handle the pop3.live.com server.
I finally relented and tried it out, too, and it will not reliably download from the
web-based mail program. You have to open a browser window with the webmail
simultaneously to the local mailbox to make sure that the webmail hasn't nabbed
a bunch of your mail and stuffed it into a junk folder. Willy-nilly, too. And I don't
have any confidence that it is a learning curve either.
If I had known that Qwest would subcontract to Microsoft/MSN and if I had known
that MSN would not back its product, I would have chosen another provider.
Oh, well; it's only a year-long contract!...
Meantime, what can Seamonkey do to combat the power of Microsoft...?...

[Johnfull]

I sent the following to the MSN site -- through the feedback on the Hotmail site:

I have a Qwest subscription that is
supposed to offer email in pop3 format.
I can't use my Seamonkey mailbox with
it and Outlook won't upload mail.
I spent all day yesterday on the phone
with MSN and Qwest folks. Outlook won't
speak to me unless I pay them.
This is really lousy service.
Also, the new mail program routes all
mail through junk filters on the webmail before the pop3 mailbox gets
a chance to verify the mail. Very intrusive.
I don't know if gmail from google is doing a better job with pop mail or not...

[rsx11m]

The new 'live' version of Hotmail has been problematic even as a webpage with Seamonkey. They are constantly telling me to upgrade my program to the latest IE or Thunderbird and they are constantly switching back to 'classic' old-style Hotmail because Seamonkey can't handle the new features.

If it works with Firefox (did you try?) but not with SeaMonkey, it's probably a case of bad browser sniffing. On the other hand, as it is Microsoft, I wouldn't be surprised if nothing but IE7 works properly with their web interface. I think I've seen a couple of threads on the live.com interface, if you want to dig further.

And now they are telling me that Seamonkey can't handle the pop3.live.com either.

They are telling you that because they likely don't have a clue what SeaMonkey is. If you can access their POP server with Thunderbird, it will work with SeaMonkey as well. Both have the same core code involved, and POP is just a protocol which - if they implemented it correctly - can be accessed with any POP-capable e-mail client. It's as simple as that.

[Johnfull]

Their outgoing server doesn't even work with Outlook Express.
I haven't tried Thunderbird. i've never used it in my life and don't plan to.
I was forced to set up one of the accounts with Outlook and had to use another
server for outgoing mail. I got the incoming to finally work, but it routes all the
mail through the hotmail-clone webmail first and sends it all to the junk folder.
Nothing shows up in the pop3 mailbox till it's extracted from the junk folder
on the webmail first. And repeated notifications that it is not junk don't seem
to help. And I see no way to shut off the junk filter or alter it in any way.
The new live.com has been a disaster from the beginning. They were forced to
continue to offer the old 'classic view' because it is so buggy. Seamonkey will not
operate with the webmail aspect of it either -- much less, the pop3 part.
My own mail is independent of Qwest and it's servers, so I can use other servers
and other identities. I don't know what I'm paying them for if they can't host mail.

[Johnfull]

Alright, I dumped the mail.live.com entirely and went with google's gmail.com.
It has its own incoming and outgoing email servers and it works perfectly with
Seamonkey's pop mail. They offer IMAP, but I don't know anything about that.
So, the bad news is that MSN/Microsoft is trying to kill Seamonkey.
The good news is that Google won't let them -- yet.
Battle of the titans!

[rsx11m]

Good move. Changing the provider (or at least your primary e-mail service) is sometimes the last resort to get things done... Gmail's IMAP works fine for me, the main difference is that your Inbox stays at the server, thus it's quite useful when you want/have to access your mail frequently from different locations.

[Johnfull]

That's a better explanation than the website gave -- thanks!
I may want to convert it to IMAP at some point...

[ihatemicrosoft]

That's a better explanation than the website gave -- thanks!
I may want to convert it to IMAP at some point...

I have the qwest/msn email on windows live. Played with the settings until my Thunderbird allowed incoming AND outgoing mail. Under use secure settings . Choose SSL for incoming , BUUUUT USE TLS for outgoing !! works like a charm

[Johnfull]

Well, thank you for that. Much water under the bridge since I set up a gmail account
in place of the q.com. I would still wonder whether Seamonkey would respond the
same way that your Thunderbird did, though. And I wonder if the recent improvements
to LiveMail by Microsoft have made it any easier to use POP mail. I think I'll never
know...anyone else?...

[rsx11m]

I would still wonder whether Seamonkey would respond the
same way that your Thunderbird did, though.

It should, the backend code for SeaMonkey and Thunderbird is identical.