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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 6:40 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comme ... epartment/

Worth spending any time on this, dismiss immediately, consider seriously, mixed bag?

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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 7:48 am

Moving to Third Party/Unoffical Builds as this is not really about Firefox but Water Fox.

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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 8:02 am

It may have originated at the Waterfox support site, but isn't it equally about Mozilla, including Firefox?

No diss intended, but did you read through all comments/links, or just stop reading when you saw it was posted at Waterfox site?

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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 9:43 am

It may have originated at the Waterfox support site, but isn't it equally about Mozilla, including Firefox?

Moving back to original forum.

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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 11:49 am

Update: topic now stickied marked by WF dev as "Misleading."

>>I don't see why anyone would think that Mozilla will no longer be working on security patches for Firefox. And unless anyone has actual proof that this is the case, this is being marked as misleading.

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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 12:49 pm

May have something to do with this report Mozilla Staff Layoffs (recent)
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Post Posted August 13th, 2020, 3:46 pm

Come on people some troll makes an attempt at a flamewar on some obscure forum and you turn it into a full page conspiracy [-X
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Post Posted August 14th, 2020, 5:32 am

No flame war. things appear to be changing further info today
It's not just Mozilla experiencing the effects of changing economic factors due to Covid, it's pretty much global..
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Post Posted August 14th, 2020, 10:54 am

kukla wrote:Update: topic now stickied marked by WF dev as "Misleading."

>>I don't see why anyone would think that Mozilla will no longer be working on security patches for Firefox. And unless anyone has actual proof that this is the case, this is being marked as misleading.

Misleading.
Anything, including truth (& more so now then ever) can be made to be misleading.

Without getting into specifics of a particular post, or link, which may or may not be misleading, look at it for what it is.

Mozilla laid off 250 people.
OK, 250, no big deal.
(No big deal to someone who employees tens of thousands of people.)
Mozilla has (had) ~1,000 paid employees.
So 250 is 1/4 of their (paid) workforce.
And there were not just "ho hum" employees, they were, "individuals of exceptional professional and personal caliber who have made outstanding contributions to who we are today".

Entire departments have been nixed, bye, don't let the door hit you...
(They, generally will get paid through the end of the year...)

One of said departments is "incidence & response" team - whatever that is?
Now, some may read that, not understanding what "incidence & response" is, & conflate that to be "security department".

What i&r is, I don't know, don't know what that means, what benefit it provided we, the users, or if it is any different then a "security department"?

And then other technologies, oh, I don't know, was it RUST (or something or the other)... Again, don't know RUST - unless it's on my bumper. In any case, be it RUST or some other technology, that department too is gone.

Employees throughout the world were laid off. US, Taiwan, Australia...

Anyhow, this is no drop in the bucket change for Mozilla, for (ex)Mozilla employees, for users, for SeaMonkey, Waterfox, Palemoon...

Given how (generally) abominable Mozilla "press releases" are, have always been, given the lack of clear information (in particular the original blog post announcing this), people are left to draw conclusions - out of the air. So saying "Mozilla shuts down its security department" is much like saying "Corona Virus will be gone with the summer heat".

Oh, & lets not bring "Corona" into this discussion ;-), as that is simply a scapegoat.

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"RUST". So not RUST, but "SERVO" - whatever that is.
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Post Posted August 14th, 2020, 10:57 am

. . . or an excuse?
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Post Posted August 14th, 2020, 11:01 am

Mozilla has renewed its lucrative nine-figure deal with Google to ensure its search engine is the default in Firefox in the US and other parts of the world.

Don't think for one minute that Google gives a damn about Mozilla.
The only reason they would do a deal if it is in their interests.
So throwing a pittance (for them) to Mozilla is nothing.


(Heh. If I had read the theregister.com piece before writing my bit, I pretty much could have skipped my post altogether ;-).)
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