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Post Posted August 28th, 2004, 12:04 pm

Hmm, people have a point about the "The Browser, Reloaded" slogan... the original Matrix movie was good, but people hate the sequels. The slogan's Matrix-sequel reference thus gives an impression of trying to be "hip" while being painfully not so.

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Post Posted August 28th, 2004, 5:30 pm

Some updates, since I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else:
  • Firefox has a new tagline – no more "sequel reference."
  • The new beta front page is great! (Before anyone says anything, check it out again: <a href="http://website-beta.mozilla.org/" rel="bookmark" title="mozilla.org">it’s just been redesigned!</a>) The think that everyone cares about right now (Firefox) is above the fold, and everything else is compactly organized.
And yet <em>more</em> observations and feedback:
  • The <a href="http://website-beta.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/buttons.html" rel="bookmark" title="Promoting Mozilla Thunderbird">Thunderbird buttons page</a> is still trying to use the old design.
  • The <a href="http://website-beta.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/sysreq.html" rel="bookmark" title="Mozilla 1.7 / 1.7.1 System Requirements">SeaMonkey system requirements page</a> still has the old SeaMonkey screenshot/logo at the top. It should be changed to the new screenshot and logo used on the <a href="http://website-beta.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/" rel="bookmark" title="Mozilla 1.7 / 1.7.1">SeaMonkey product page</a> (it’s a background image on that page).
  • There should be some indication as to what the Planet Mozilla section contains. Most newcomers won't have seen any Planet website before, so they’ll be wondering what <a href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/08/28/antispinward/" rel="bookmark" title="Eric’s Archived Thoughts: Antispinward">the latest entry</a> (as of this writing) has to do with Mozilla.
  • The "Learn more about Firefox..." link on the front page points to <samp>http://website-beta.mozilla.org/#dfg</samp>. I think it should point to <a href="http://website-beta.mozilla.org/products/firefox/" rel="bookmark" title="Mozilla Firefox">the Firefox product page</a>.
  • The "award winning" link points to <samp>http://website-beta.mozilla.org/shelf.html</samp>. I think you meant <samp>http://website-beta.mozilla.org/products/firefox/shelf.html</samp>.
  • The "Featuring: Firefox" text should link to the product page as well.
  • The <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/security/" rel="bookmark" title="Security Center">Security Center</a> is gone. Going to <samp>http://website-beta.mozilla.org/security/</samp> (the logical beta version of the current page) redirects to <samp>http://website-beta.mozilla.org/projects/security/</samp> (the Security Project). It’s not the same. I think this is because of a rewrite statement that redirects <samp>w-b.m.o/<var>projectname</var></samp> into <samp>w-b.m.o/products/<var>projectname</var></samp> or <samp>w-b.m.o/projects/<var>projectname</var></samp>. The Security Center is currently located directly in w.m.o.
  • The big, slanted screenshot of Firefox on the front page has some jagged edges. Some anti-aliasing might help.

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Post Posted August 28th, 2004, 7:17 pm

Stefan wrote:
Tesla wrote:Here are a few websites witch take advantage of the full screen and looks good in all resolutions:


It's not about "if it looks good" it's about if a reader will actually be able to read and UNDERSTAND what (s)he reads. Much reasearch has been done on this area and shows that long lines of text makes readability drop like a stone once you get above 10-15 words per line.

Here is a link that explains some of this.
http://www.webstyleguide.com/type/lines.html


I didn't relize that. Good to know!

I made a new <a href="http://www.linerider.com/mozilla/">Mozilla</a> home page that shows how I think the page layout should look like. I based it on the above comment and andkons <a href="http://www.andkon.com/stuf/mozillanewstrategy/">article</a>.

Note: It is just a sugested layout. The page content and code would have to be polished up.

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Post Posted August 28th, 2004, 8:50 pm

it is looking good now. i like how its setup in this latest update

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Post Posted August 28th, 2004, 9:21 pm

Wow, that's a huge improvement, very organised. The tabs are in the wrong place in Opera though.

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 2:33 am

In general i think the new site is a great step forward. Especially the new products-page is very nice. i dislike that there's sometimes a menu on the left side and sometimes not. It should be always there or never.

It should be more obivous in which section i am. currently there is no visual indication. it would be possible to use a slightly other color for the currently displayed tab (eg 'products','support',etc).

The start-page http://website-beta.mozilla.org/ should become improved:
* The headlines (like 'get thunderbird', 'mozilla-suite') shouldn't be links or they should look like links.
* Does cnet.com donates money to the mozilla-foundation or why is cnet.com used for the screenshot of firefox and not http://website-beta.mozilla.org/ itself? (maybe it would be cool if the visible part of the screenshot contains a part of the screenshot (and so on).
* People who come first to mozilla.org don't need all these news links at the bottom. They should become moved to a seperate news-page
* The light-blue firefox box doesn't need two links to get fx on CD

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 6:33 am

The newly desinged site contains too many references outside mozilla.org (e.g. Planet Mozilla and mozillaZine.org) which the Japanese Translation Team does not have the right nor the resource to translate.

The site should be self-complete as much as possible and should be more friendly for web site localizeres.

Regards,

YAMAGUCHI Satoru
The Japanese Translation Team.

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 7:22 am

After a lot of headaches I have finally put together the content I promised. Because it is long, and features alot of text formating, I am giving it to you as a PDF. I have included my revised bullets below. Each of these will be hyperlinked and will take you to the relevant section of the 'Why?' page.

You can view the article here: http://v3.itr.cn/downloads/firefox%20features.pdf

Please post your feedback in this forum.

Note: You will notice that I have removed the awards from the bullets themselves. This is because I think that the awards should go in a box on the right, with a nice 'Oscar'-syle award image and the quotes underneath. This way they will stand out.

Also, I admit that there are areas that probably still need work, but I thought it would be good to show you what I have so far to get some feedback.

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<B>WHY CHOOSE FIREFOX?</B><BR>
<strong>Next-Generation Web Browsing<br></strong>
Award-Winning Technology brings you the latest features.
<ul>
<li><strong>Tabbed Browsing </strong><br>
View more than one web page in a single window with this time saving feature. Open links in the background so that they're ready for viewing when you're ready to read them. You can even have multiple tabs as your homepage so all your favorite sites are accessible at once</li>
<li><strong>Popup Blocker <br>
</strong>Automatically stop annoying popup ads in their tracks with Firefox's built in popup blocker. </li>
<li><strong>Download Manager </strong><br>
With the built in download manager, you can pause and resume file transfers, and retry those that are broken. Files are also automatically saved to your desktop so they're easy to find. </li>
<li><strong>Livemarks </strong><br>
Integrated RSS feeds mean information is now at your fingertips <strong></strong></li>
</ul>
<strong>Search Smarter and Faster<br>
</strong>Firefox empowers you to find the information you need faster…
<ul>
<li><strong>Toolbar Google Search <br>
</strong>Google Search is built right into the toolbar saving you time. </li>
<li><strong>Search Plugins <br>
</strong>Bring the search to you – using the extensive library of search plugins, your favorite sites can now be searched directly from the toolbar. Amazon, Wikipedia etc. are now available instantly… </li>
<li><strong>Smart Keywords <br>
</strong>Quickly search your favourite sites from the Location Bar by using Smart Keywords. (eg. type "dict <I>searchterm</I>" to seach dictionary.com) </li>
<li><strong>Find-as-you-Type <br>
</strong>Start typing the first few letters of some text in the page and Firefox takes you there <strong></strong></li>
</ul>
<strong>Simple, Safe & Secure </strong><br>
Browse the web with confidence.
<ul>
<li><strong>Privacy & Security <br>
</strong>Built with your Security in mind, Firefox keeps your computer safe from malicious spyware by not loading harmful ActiveX controls. A comprehensive set of privacy tools keep your online activity your business. </li>
<li><strong>Fits Like a Glove <br>
</strong>Simple and intuitive, yet fully featured, Firefox has all the functions you're used to - Bookmarks, History, Full Screen, Text Zooming to make pages with small text easier to read, etc. </li>
<li><strong>Setup's a Snap <br>
</strong>At only 4.7MB (Windows), Firefox only takes minutes to download over a fast connection. The installer gets you set up quickly, and the new Easy Transition system imports all of your settings - Favorites, passwords and other data from Internet Explorer and other browsers - so you can start surfing right away. </li>
</ul>
<strong>Your Browser, Your Way<br>
</strong>Firefox is the most customizable browser on the planet.
<ul>
<li><strong>Extensions <br>
</strong>Extensions are small programs (or plug-ins) that add new functionality to Firefox. It can be anything from a toolbar button to a completely new feature, such as mouse gestures. The Mozilla Update website contains a massive library of extensions for you to use. <strong></strong></li>
<li><strong>Themes <br>
</strong>With themes, you can change the look and feel of Firefox. A theme can change anything from just the toolbar buttons to the whole browser appearance. You can download and install themes with just a few clicks from the Mozilla Update website.<strong></strong></li>
<li><strong>Toolbar Customization <br>
</strong>The toolbars in Firefox are completely customizable, allowing you to add and remove items (buttons, search field, bookmarks, etc.) to the toolbars as well as create new toolbars.</li>
</ul>
<strong>A Developer's Best Friend </strong>
Firefox comes with a standard set of developer tools including a powerful JavaScript and CSS error/warning console, and an optional Document Inspector that gives unheard of insight into how your pages work. It is also meet the W3C guidelines for standards compliance.
<br><strong>Read Mail—Not Spam </strong>
Thunderbird is the perfect complement to Firefox. <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/">More information </a>

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 11:12 am

omstedall, it captures the reader to read it all, great work, I hope they use it!

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 11:59 am

Perhaps Mozilla.org should in the future try to censor itself on what content gets on its frontpage:

http://www.andkon.com/xtra/mozporn.jpg

And the tabs fail in Opera 7:

http://www.andkon.com/xtra/operafail.jpg

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 12:04 pm

omstedall wrote:<strong>Next-Generation Web Browsing<br></strong>
Award-Winning Technology brings you the latest features.


Why not mention Internet Explorer? Web browser is not something people know. "Award-Winning Technology" seems to be a fluffy phrase without meaning.

omstedall wrote:<strong>Livemarks </strong>
Integrated RSS feeds mean information is now at your fingertips


I doubt most people know or care about RSS feeds.

omstedall wrote: <strong>Privacy & Security <br>
</strong>Built with your Security in mind, Firefox keeps your computer safe from malicious spyware by not loading harmful ActiveX controls. A comprehensive set of privacy tools keep your online activity your business. </li>


It sounds too nerdy. Most people dont know what ActiveX is...

omstedall wrote:<strong>A Developer's Best Friend </strong>
Firefox comes with a standard set of developer tools including a powerful JavaScript and CSS error/warning console, and an optional Document Inspector that gives unheard of insight into how your pages work. It is also meet the W3C guidelines for standards compliance.


Yeah, no one cares, it makes Firefox sound too technical for the average user.

The rest of the suggestions were good though.

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 12:32 pm

omstedall wrote:Livemarks

They're now called Live Bookmarks - "Livemarks" had already been used and was felt to be too buzzword-y.

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 12:55 pm

Tabs are broken differently in Opera 7.60 preview, than andkons screenshot. It's some weird Opera bug IMO.
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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 1:42 pm

  • Titles of Planet Mozilla entries should be cropped after a certain length. One title I'm seeing right now, "Henrik Lynggaard: It's here..... Finally, now let me get back to Doom3 :-)," is a bit too long, and part of the title flows to the bottom of the "Aug 29" tag.
Yamaguchi wrote:The newly desinged site contains too many references outside mozilla.org (e.g. Planet Mozilla and mozillaZine.org) which the Japanese Translation Team does not have the right nor the resource to translate.

The site should be self-complete as much as possible and should be more friendly for web site localizeres [sic].

  • Satoru, maybe you could contact the person who maintains the <a href="http://ryuzi.dyndns.org/mozillazine/html/modules/news/" rel="bookmark" hreflang="ja" title="mozillaZine 日本語版 – mozillaZine 和訳">Japanese translation of mozillaZine</a>. The site also has <a href="http://ryuzi.dyndns.org/mozillazine/html/backend.php" rel="bookmark" hreflang="ja" title="mozillaZine 日本語版">an RSS feed</a>.
  • Are there any Japanese-language blogs about Mozilla out there? If there are, maybe you can set up some kind of Planet Mozilla, Japanese Edition.

These suggestions might not work for all languages, but mozillaZine has translations in five languages (<a href="http://mozillazine-fr.org/" rel="bookmark" hreflang="fr" title="MozillaZine-Fr">French</a>, <a href="http://ryuzi.dyndns.org/mozillazine/html/modules/news/" rel="bookmark" title="mozillaZine 日本語版">Japanese</a>, <a href="http://benzilla.no-ip.com/mozillazine/" rel="bookmark" title="Mozillazine 中 文 版">Chinese</a>, <a href="http://www.formatvorlage.de/mozine/" rel="bookmark" title="MozillaZine.de">German</a>, and <a href="http://www.mozilla.or.kr/mozilla/zine/" rel="bookmark" title="한글 mozillaZine">Korean</a>), and I know of Mozilla-related blogs in French and Spanish. I think it can be done.

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Post Posted August 29th, 2004, 2:55 pm

Whilst browsing through bugzilla, I came across http://fxfeeds.mozillazine.org/ which in turn points to http://website-beta.mozilla.org/product ... marks.html

I assume that will be linked from the 1.0 product page, which is hidden away somewhere?

Anyway, the screen shot still shows the old RSS lightning bolt. And on the same page

Headlines from Slashdot and the BBC News


The 'the' needs to come out.

And possibly
-- and Mozilla Firefox supports them all.

could/should end with an exclamation mark.

And
You can find many RSS feeds at: Technorati and Syndic8.com

should probably be
You can find many other RSS feeds at: Technorati and Syndic8.com
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