Mozilla.org Website Beta Final Call

[johann_p]

I think investing more time and effort in the *content* instead of unimportant design details would be better: The system requirements for FF under Linux have been wrong for months now and although I told several people by email and although there is a bug about this in bugzilla, nothing happened to correct them. Also, it would be helpful to have pointers to contributed links for other OS like Solaris or other contributed builds (e.g. those including SVG support). There should also be support for non-English users from the very first page - leading them to their download sites in their own languages.

[gids]

Opera 6 still makes a dog's dinner of the top tab bar, no idea if it's critical or not but there you go. The screenshot doesn't appear there either.

[Miklp]

Here are my suggestions :

- put screenshots in the product pages for the key features for firefox (how tabbed browsing is useful, google search bar, pop-up controls) and thunderbird (junk mail feature, ...). I think most users look at screenshots before reading text and choose to read text if the screenshots were interesting.

- in the home page, in the Firefox "panel", I think it would be better to have a link called "More information..." to go to the product page. It is not very clear to only have the possibility to click on "safer, faster, better web browser" (but keep this link all the same).

[Truben]

Nice site, but:

• The tooltip text for the About tab is "Getting the most out of your online experience". Guess that's wrong...
• The design still look really messed up in Konqueror

[jeanjean]

http://website-beta.mozilla.org/support/

When you first look at it with ie everything is fine until you hover the left-part (menu) with the mouse. Then the right part of the layout jump one pixel to the left.

Folowling the "store" link takes you out of the site/current navigation scheme. Now way to "get back" to mozilla.org using previous menus since there are gone. It's a mozilla store issue though.

I don't like left-side navigation menu. I'd prefer nice and sharp plain-text clickable links but that's my taste.

Apart from that.. the redesign is really GREAT. Much much bettre than the old browny lay-out.

[Akh]

still don't see the need for a max-width


added this to my usercontent.css

#www-mozilla-org > #container { max-width: 1400px !important; margin: 0 2em !important; }

must say it looks much better

[=franCk=]

- add a link to 'other version' just under the 'download' link that would point to a apge with explanation to get other build, other langage, or non win build
- the news feed at the bottom, well, I'm not sure they belong there - and it is not clear this are news, maybe a section about 'Mozilla news' would help? (I know vertical size is expensive...)
- navigation problem : it is not that intuitive to go back to the home page after you have lost it, that seems stupid, but you may need a 'Home' item in the navigation - clicking once on tab and once on icon is NOT obvious...
- still find the blue of the header too dark on my LCD...

[Codeman]

Overall the new design is great... much better and easier to find what I'm looking for right away.

One issue I would have is the inclusion of Planet Mozilla in the News feeds. You really have no control over what's in the titles and quite a bit of the time there are posts with no real relevance to Mozilla -- from Windows/Microsoft, Movies, Politics, pr0n, and titles with curse words in it. For instance, the following is some titles taken off of Planet Mozilla today that (to me) would be questionable if you want them appearing on the Mozilla home page.

1.) <a href="http://www.squarefree.com/archives/000566.html">Firefox extension for porn: Thumbs</a>
2.) <a href="http://webperso.easyconnect.fr/danielglazman/weblog/dotclear/index.php?2004/08/28/527-bigshit2">I HATE THIS BIG SHIT OF WINDOWS #2</a>
3.) <a href="http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/006302.html">no winfs in longhorn?</a>
4.) <a href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/08/27/microsoft-migration/">Microsoft Migration</a>

While all of them (except #2, perhaps) is related to Firefox, Mozilla, or web standards/authoring in some way, there is no way to discern that by the title alone (except #1, and I would object to advertising Firefox in that way on the Mozilla home page.)

Anyway, some things to take into consideration. Keep up the great work!

[TigerDE2]

Hi everyone!
I'm quite new to both, Firefox and this board, and I haven't read all the comments already posted, so please don't kill...
I've seen you are working on a new layout for the Mozilla.org website, so I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth (hope I'm not too late):

First off, on the Firefox product page located at http://website-beta.mozilla.org/product ... x/releases (and possibly at other locations, too) there is a side navigation panel I belive is highly confusing for n00bs (I can tell because I myself belong to that group).
If you are on a product page, you expect to find a navigation for the products, not the one for developers. It is especially annoying, as people clicking on e. g. the "Roadmap" link will expect to find Firefox-related information, but instead are given the Mozilla release plan.
I would therefore recommend to either remove, replace or change the existing navigation on that page (and other product pages) into something like

Products
> Firefox
. > Release Notes
. > Downloads
> Mozilla
> Thunderbird
For Developers
> Roadmap
> other stuff...

I think you get what I mean.

The next thing is to some extend localization-related:
You've got 2 partner foundations, afaik Mozilla Europe and Mozilla Japan, providing good content in English, French, German and Japanese. Why not link those on the front page?
Firefox is a good browser, but a good product isn't enough to beat the competition. You've got to tell people about it, too. (In a language they understand, that is.) And to quote an old uniscape.com add: "Only eight percent of the world speaks English. The other 92 percent is going to your competitor."

Oh, and what is that "Planet Mozilla" about?
Is it really that important for end-consumers?
Or wouldn't it be better to add an e. g. Mozilla Foundation Europe feed?
Plus, why not using GeoIP or a similar service and try to figure out what feed to serve?

And finally, in MS IE, the design is fluid (?), stretching from one side of the screen to another.
It looks ugly. And while one could say it's not your fault, but IE's, users might simply see an ugly page and think that you're not capable of producing a decent design and are thus probably not able to produce decent software as well. (I know it's exaggerated and not true but anyway.)

Additionally, I belive the Firefox screenshot should display the mozilla.org website and there are links to other operating systems and languages missing.

And the store should probably adapt the new design, too.
Hope my post's of any help.
Regards,
Christian

[tnleeuw]

Hi,

It's pointed out already, but I'll say it again: all links on the download-page point to old releases, of all products.

As an aside, I also don't like the looks of the download page, and I think it should be easier to find...


regards,

--Tim

[milchschnitte]

You can't find any links to localised versions. More people will need a French, Spanish, German or Italian version, than a firefox CD. Please add a link to it

[alonlaudon]

I believe there's a typo on the last sentence at the promotional buttons page, located here: http://website-beta.mozilla.org/product ... ttons.html

It says "Mozilla FirefoxT and the Firefox logo are trademarks...".
Where did that T come from?

[HaST]

The other langauge versions of products must accessible via the main page, i think.

[kroxx]

I get a &quot; hovering "search mozilla" --> "Search mozilla.org''s sites". Should it be &acute; ?

I like the navigation - great job!

[aaronschinkowitch]

Most of the Resources links on the Camino page point to Thunderbird resources