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Post Posted November 28th, 2002, 3:41 am

Phoenix can do with a new icon than reusing mozilla's dino.
Suggestions...?

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Post Posted November 28th, 2002, 5:04 am

abpillai wrote:Phoenix can do with a new icon than reusing mozilla's dino.
Suggestions...?

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Phoenix will not reuse the Mozilla logo. Rest assured that it will be replaced eventually.

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Post Posted December 1st, 2002, 8:51 pm

Since Phoenix is getting a new name the logo issue can probably be put on hold; although, if you want you can always change your icon. Here is a link to the one I use:

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3980

If you are not using a *nix you can simply save the image from the first icon preview.
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Post Posted December 1st, 2002, 10:32 pm

Let us wait with the icon for the new name for the Phoenix :-(

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Post Posted December 1st, 2002, 11:19 pm

djst wrote:
abpillai wrote:Phoenix can do with a new icon than reusing mozilla's dino.
Suggestions...?

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Phoenix will not reuse the Mozilla logo. Rest assured that it will be replaced eventually.


Then, again :

Why must the name be changed ?

Any official answer on that ? I like "Phoenix"...

Only if/when the name changes should we bother finding a new logo ...
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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 1:40 am

HelzBelz wrote:Why must the name be changed ?
Because of trademark problems.
Phoenix Technologies owns the name "Phoenix" and they make a browser (a BIOS browser).
They've asked Phoenix devteam to change the name, so it must change.

And please, don't ask the same question in more than one thread.

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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:09 am

Thanks for the reply. (sorry for posting twice; must be getting late... I thought I was asking in a different forum alltogether...)

... but "Phoenix Technologies" still haven't brought any valid reasons for this project to change its name.

The point often mentionned (and I must agree) : other software and various products do use the name "Phoenix"; none related to the BIOS company (nor the city in Arizona, for that matter...)

The name of a mythological bird applied to an open-source project used for displaying Web pages (HTML, CSS, whatever, nothing to do with BIOSes) DOESN'T get misconstrued as vaguely pertaining to "Phoenix Technologies".

Not all "burgers" come from Burger King.

There is a "National" bank in just about any country.

Canada doesn't have a "copyright infringment" on the maple leaf.

Well, you see my point...

Too bad "Phoenix Tech" don't see it...
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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:12 am

They do make a browser. They own the trademark.
They have the right to ask for a name change.

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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:14 am

... to the Phoenix Dev team : please, don't bend to the BIOS company; they have no rightfull claim.

Call it "The Phoenix Web Exploration Environment" or something like it...

In essence, "Phoenix" in short, for us, the users.

BTW : Who "browses" BIOSes anyways ?
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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:18 am

Netsabes wrote:They do make a browser. They own the trademark.
They have the right to ask for a name change.


Don't get me wrong, S├ębastien... I totally agree with you.

They have the right to ask for a name change. However, this new "name" can still contain the word "Phoenix".

i.e. the suggestion in my previous post...

"Phoenix Technologies" is a trademark. So is (if it exists) the "Phoenix Technologies Bios Browser".

"The City of Phoenix" is also a trademark.

The word "Phoenix" by itself shouldn't be (or else, there's a "copyright comittee" somewhere that hasn't done it's homework...)
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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:26 am

HelzBelz wrote:They have the right to ask for a name change. However, this new "name" can still contain the word "Phoenix".
No.
And not even a variation on "Phoenix".

"The City of Phoenix" is also a trademark.
The city of Phoenix is not a browser.

And please post name suggestions in the appropriate thread.

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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:38 am

Netsabes wrote:
HelzBelz wrote:They have the right to ask for a name change. However, this new "name" can still contain the word "Phoenix".
No.
And not even a variation on "Phoenix".


... well, it is your opinion, not a legal fact.

(at least not in Canada nor the US; I can't state this for countries in Europe though.)

And yes (as per your comment) I have already mentionned my "name" suggestions directly to the project page... not here at MozillaZine Forum though; didn't see the need to add more to a thread that the developpers will probably NOT read.
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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:42 am

It's not my opinion, it's what Blake Ross (one of the Phoenix developers) said here: http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewt ... rt=30#9438
Since he's the one who announced the need for a name change, I'm pretty sure that he knows what he's saying.

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Post Posted December 2nd, 2002, 3:50 am

Word Mark PHOENIX
Goods and Services IC 009. US 038. G & S: basic input/output computer programs, operating system computer programs, computer programs for use in the interpretation of page description languages, and user manuals for use therewith, and sold to original equipment manufacturers. FIRST USE: 19840622. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19840622
Mark Drawing Code (5) WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS IN STYLIZED FORM
Serial Number 74193975
Filing Date August 12, 1991
Published for Opposition September 22, 1992
Registration Number 1739544
Registration Date December 15, 1992
Owner (REGISTRANT) Phoenix Technologies, Ltd. CORPORATION DELAWARE 411 East Plumeria Drive San Jose CALIFORNIA 95134
Attorney of Record Annette M. McGarry
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

(Highlighting by me)

I'd say this doesn't leave much room for interpretation...

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