site probs

unikum · Post by **unikum** » November 12th, 2002, 3:21 am

I cant get the navigation bar to work on www.letsplaychess.com. Same problem with Mozilla.
IE and Opera works fine though.

Any ideas what to do?
I really want to use Phoenix as my default browser

michal017 · Post by **michal017** » November 12th, 2002, 4:51 am

http://www.letsplaychess.com/chessclubs/asplogin.asp looks the same in Opera and Phoenix.. and there's not navigation bar..

unikum · Post by **unikum** » November 12th, 2002, 6:09 am

Well it is for me in Opera.

anyone else?

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » November 12th, 2002, 6:28 am

Using Phoenix or Opera 6.05 I don't get a navbar.
Using IE 6.01 I do.

If I turn on spoofing in Opera (making it say I use IE 5) I do get a very broken navbar.

I would say it's a good example of a crappy webpage.
They are litteraly shuting out non IE browsers for reasons of incompentence.

michal017 · Post by **michal017** » November 12th, 2002, 6:51 am

Stefan wrote:If I turn on spoofing in Opera (making it say I use IE 5) I do get a very broken navbar.
I would say it's a good example of a crappy webpage.
They are litteraly shuting out non IE browsers for reasons of incompentence.

exactly..

laszlo · Post by **laszlo** » November 12th, 2002, 8:16 am

The reason why it can't work in Mozilla/Phoenix is that the navbar is built using document.layers (NS 4.x) and document.all (IE 4+ and partially some versions of Opera). So they do support some non-IE browsers, they're from the last century though :wink:

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » November 12th, 2002, 8:30 am

laszlo wrote:The reason why it can't work in Mozilla/Phoenix is that the navbar is built using document.layers (NS 4.x) and document.all (IE 4+ and partially some versions of Opera). So they do support some non-IE browsers, they're from the last century though

The problem isn't just that they use invalid DOM, it's also that they do their browerchecking in a bad way.
Instead of checking the browser version or appname they should check if the current browser supports a specific feature eg <b>if (document.all)</b>.
That would eg alow Opera (and possibly other browsers) to work resonably WITHOUT spoofing it's identity.

Besides, having a JS navbar withot providing proper backup with noscripttags is very stupid. It can make the site fail to work even in IE.

This about as bad as it gets in regard to navbars on sites and shows that they person(s) making the page had very little knowledge about making webpages.

laszlo · Post by **laszlo** » November 12th, 2002, 9:01 am

Stefan wrote:The problem isn't just that they use invalid DOM, it's also that they do their browerchecking in a bad way.
Instead of checking the browser version or appname they should check if the current browser supports a specific feature eg <b>if (document.all)</b>.
That would eg alow Opera (and possibly other browsers) to work resonably WITHOUT spoofing it's identity.

Did you look at the source? I guess not. They do it by object checking (at least that's something they get right). The problem with Opera is that some versions have partial support for document.all, which makes a mere check for document.all difficult.

The basic problem is that they're using 4 years old code that should get rewritten as soon as possible.

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » November 12th, 2002, 2:14 pm

laszlo wrote:Did you look at the source? I guess not.

No that actually made Phoenix hang, and I didn't bother to try again. (Yes I'm lazy

)
But what you say does seem a bit weird cosidering Opera 6.05 only got a navbar with IE spoofing.

laszlo · Post by **laszlo** » November 12th, 2002, 2:53 pm

Stefan wrote:
laszlo wrote:Did you look at the source? I guess not.

No that actually made Phoenix hang, and I didn't bother to try again. (Yes I'm lazy )
But what you say does seem a bit weird cosidering Opera 6.05 only got a navbar with IE spoofing.

I wondered about this myself. Could it be that Opera monitors what you set as user agent and only supports document.all when set as IE? No... That'd be something I'd call weird... :twisted:

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » November 12th, 2002, 2:55 pm

laszlo wrote:
Stefan wrote:
laszlo wrote:Did you look at the source? I guess not.

No that actually made Phoenix hang, and I didn't bother to try again. (Yes I'm lazy )
But what you say does seem a bit weird cosidering Opera 6.05 only got a navbar with IE spoofing.

I wondered about this myself. Could it be that Opera monitors what you set as user agent and only supports document.all when set as IE? That would be weird...

Indeed. Could possibly explain some of the weirdness in it's DOM-model though :/
Guess I have to try that out sometime or see if I find something on the Opera forums.

eL_PuSHeR · Post by **eL_PuSHeR** » November 15th, 2002, 8:06 am

Tried it under latest Opera 7.0 beta 1 and it is properly displayed (even the NavBar).