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jgolem
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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 10:40 am

I am not getting the ALT text when I place the cursor over a picture. It works with MS explorer.

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 10:43 am

try to understand the differences between ALT and Title.

i just got this help from another warm hearted FF fan. :)

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=191494

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 11:31 am

It is a known bug, but the developers refuse to fix it because they have their own (mis-) interpretation of the standards.

Sad to see a open source project go down the drain because of attitudes like that.

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 11:40 am

Anonymous wrote:It is a known bug, but the developers refuse to fix it because they have their own (mis-) interpretation of the standards.

Sad to see a open source project go down the drain because of attitudes like that.


definition of the 'alt' attribute
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/ ... tml#h-13.8
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The alt attribute specifies alternate text that is rendered when the image cannot be displayed (see below for information on how to specify alternate text ). User agents must render alternate text when they cannot support images, they cannot support a certain image type or when they are configured not to display images.
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definition of the 'title' attribute
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/ ... ml#h-7.4.3

so, it's not a bug. we can only say that FF apply the W3C's standards too strict, not as user friendly as IE...

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 12:08 pm

Anonymous wrote:Sad to see a open source project go down the drain because of attitudes like that.

Yeah, who'd have thought that the developers might stick to their project goals by not allowing direct misuse of something written into the standards. The shame.

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 12:20 pm

Firefox does not display the ALT attribute in a tooltip because the ALT attribute is defined as being the text displayed in place of the image if the images does not/can not load, and the TITLE attribute is defined as being displayed in a tooltip over the image.

Part of Firefox's mandate was to stick to the standards. Therefore, Firefox will never be shipped with the ability to display the ALT attribute in a tooltip - unless the standards change.

If you really want ALT attributes to show up in tooltips, get the Popup ALT Attribures extension: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=242
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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 1:14 pm

What everyone else said. Properly-written ALT text, designed to substitute for the image in text-based browsing, would seldom make sense to display as a tooltip. Properly-written tooltip text, designed to supplement what can be seen in an image, would seldom make sense to substitute for the image in text-based browsing. Hence the separate attributes, the W3C standards suggesting their purpose, and the Mozilla and Firefox implementation in accordance with these standards.
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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 1:17 pm

To make your images display right in both firefox and IE, always set both an alt attribute and a title attribute. IE will display the title in prefernce to the alt, just like firefox.

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 1:18 pm

IE started the hover alt images in the early days. It made more sence back then. Now, the web is different, and we have the title tag. It doesn't make sense anymore.

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Post Posted January 2nd, 2005, 2:54 pm

Actually, Netscape started the ALT tooltips, but it never really made sense by the standards.
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Post Posted January 3rd, 2005, 1:15 am

Anonymous guest wrote:It is a known bug, but the developers refuse to fix it because they have their own (mis-) interpretation of the standards.

Sad to see a open source project go down the drain because of attitudes like that.


I just love these fools!
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Post Posted January 3rd, 2005, 1:17 am

From the number of posts I see throughout this forum saying:
It is a known bug, but the developers refuse to fix it because they have their own (mis-) interpretation of the standards.

Sad to see a open source project go down the drain because of attitudes like that.

and the inability of these same people to believe that adhering to W3C standards IS the standard, I have come to the conclusion that all such responses are from people paid by Bill Gates/Microsoft to "flame" Firefox. They should be dealt with in an appropriate manner.

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Post Posted January 3rd, 2005, 1:36 am

jgolem wrote:I am not getting the ALT text when I place the cursor over a picture. It works with MS explorer.

If you install the Popup ALT Attribute extension or the Tooltip Enhancer extension you will be able to see even the ALT text as a tooltip.

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Post Posted January 4th, 2005, 8:01 am

Thanks all!! I particularly like the suggestion of using both ALT and TITLE. Unfortunately as with all "standards" it is normally in the eye of the beholder when there is no recognized "standard bearers". When a giant like MS misuses a standard then it becomes the "standard" and only purists adhere to the gospel as it was written as opposed to how it is implemented.

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Post Posted July 14th, 2005, 1:08 am

jgolem wrote:Thanks all!! I particularly like the suggestion of using both ALT and TITLE. Unfortunately as with all "standards" it is normally in the eye of the beholder when there is no recognized "standard bearers". When a giant like MS misuses a standard then it becomes the "standard" and only purists adhere to the gospel as it was written as opposed to how it is implemented.


i guess that's one of the reason we use firefox :)

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