Firefox ESR, how long will ESR be without the australis?

[patrickjdempsey]

BTW, Palemoon has been around since January of 2010. There's so little difference that it could be maintained by almost anyone with basic coding skills if they wanted to.

The fact that there is so little difference between PaleMoon and Firefox is *exactly* why it's going to be difficult to support a non-Australis version into the future. It's not like Mozilla is just going to sit still and stop making changes. Just ask the SeaMonkey developers... the Firefox devs LOVE making changes for no particular reasons and the changes will just keep coming. Also, Australis has been 4 years in the making. What was once "cutting edge" design is now old hat and I'm sure Mozilla is already thinking about the next big iteration of changes.

And as I've mentioned before in these discussions, a true UI fork with a different interface is going to start encountering serious compatibility problems with extensions and themes designed expecting the Firefox interface. And even if an extension or themes author wanted to support PaleMoon... kind of hard to support a different program that uses the same GUID to pretend it's Firefox.

[ndebord]

And as far as the title of the OP goes: we are now looking at 4 months till ESR also gets Australis. Because of this, recommending people who are upset with Australis switch to ESR is mostly just a big waste of their time at this point.

Patrick,

Four months is more than long enough for them to get whatever bugs exist in Australis out of there. Until then, 24 ESR is good enough for me. Tks.

[joeg]

The primary function of the ESR Nightly builds is to have a place to port over new security patches from Nightly. Because those patches are designed for a completely different version, it's possible that there may be regressions or unexpected conflicts. It's really not a good idea to recommend it.

There's an Arabic proverb that can be loosely translated "Ask the patient and not the doctor". All I can say is that I've been using the ESR non-Nightly Nightly since Australis hit the Trunk Nightly, and I've never had even the slightest hiccup. Of course your mileage may vary.

And as far as the title of the OP goes: we are now looking at 4 months till ESR also gets Australis. Because of this, recommending people who are upset with Australis switch to ESR is mostly just a big waste of their time at this point.

This, Patrick - with all due respect - I'd say is a judgment call.

[patrickjdempsey]

And as far as the title of the OP goes: we are now looking at 4 months till ESR also gets Australis. Because of this, recommending people who are upset with Australis switch to ESR is mostly just a big waste of their time at this point.

Patrick,

Four months is more than long enough for them to get whatever bugs exist in Australis out of there. Until then, 24 ESR is good enough for me. Tks.

4 years should have been long enough to put out a version without those bugs. And most people aren't trying to get away from Australis because of "bugs" they are trying to get away from Australis because of planned features, which Mozilla is NOT going to roll back. James is running Firefox 32 right now and he'll tell you if you ask... there are no dramatic feature changes or revisions. What you see in Firefox 29 is what you will see in ESR when it updates.

[LoudNoise]

The analogy is certainly well out of line so let's not expand on it.

[patrickjdempsey]

Stricken from record.

[joeg]

The analogy is certainly well out of line so let's not expand on it.

It's gone. Sorry.

[ndebord]

And as far as the title of the OP goes: we are now looking at 4 months till ESR also gets Australis. Because of this, recommending people who are upset with Australis switch to ESR is mostly just a big waste of their time at this point.

Patrick,

Four months is more than long enough for them to get whatever bugs exist in Australis out of there. Until then, 24 ESR is good enough for me. Tks.

4 years should have been long enough to put out a version without those bugs. And most people aren't trying to get away from Australis because of "bugs" they are trying to get away from Australis because of planned features, which Mozilla is NOT going to roll back. James is running Firefox 32 right now and he'll tell you if you ask... there are no dramatic feature changes or revisions. What you see in Firefox 29 is what you will see in ESR when it updates.

I understand... I'm not happy about Australis, but I am not going to use Chrome. If it proves unworkable, there is always SeaMonkey. Meanwhile, 2.4.5.0 is working for me.

Tks.

[LoudNoise]

Split the Palemoon etc stuff off here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2841281