What I find interesting here is just how much disrespect and almost hatred you lot have towards modified releases such as Pale Moon. Every time someone so much as mentions it, there's an outpouring of FUD, disapproval and spitefulness which quickly goes from being balanced conversation to being really quite nasty in places.
I'd like to remind you all that one of Firefox's
STRENGTHs is that it's FOSS. When you release the source like this, you're actively encouraging people to grab the source, play with it, tweak it and make it do things in different ways. And hence, you have different builds out there that look and behave a bit differently, but which still contain the core of Firefox underneath, and which adhere to Mozilla's licensing policies accordingly. This is something that you should be encouraging, not lambasting. Seriously, the attitude on here really is quite staggering at times.
Total BS. Please don't lie to me, it irritates me.
The ability to customise and tweak Firefox was all there prior to Firefox 29.
That comment is so laughable it beggars belief. What I said there was a fact, not a lie. I do want Firefox and I want Firefox's plugins. If I wanted a radically different browser such as Safari or IE, we wouldn't be having this discussion. To try and claim this is a lie is just staggering! Did you ever even ask yourself why I use Pale Moon out of all the browsers out there? And yes, prior to FF 29, Firefox was indeed very customisable (I never claimed otherwise). This (oddly enough) is one of the main reasons why I used it! I only dropped Firefox following the release of 29 after large portions of cusomisability that I used were stripped out and binned.
Have you seen how much effort Aris has put into the extension or how much effort he continues to put into the extension?
Given the sheer number of options and tweaks there, I'd say an awful lot. It's a very flexible and powerful addon indeed, however when using it with CustomTabWidth, the tabs overlap and the tab scroll buttons keep randomly appearing and disappearing. TabMixPlus also doesn't always play nice with it (or didn't when I last checked a couple of weeks back) as both do major things with the tabs. Might have been fixed since I admit, but wasn't last time when I was looking.
The code base is the same. PaleMoon isn't a different project. That is a fact.
If you really think that, why so much resentment and spite about me (and others) using "another build of Firefox"?
Yes they did. Themes and extension had to be rewritten. Customization, like now, radically changed.
And yet all the customisability remained. I could put the tabs where I wanted, the buttons where I wanted, etc. All of which could be done without installing a mountain of addons. As I've already said, I'm happy to see new interfaces, so long as I can tweak them a bit to suit how I work if I don't consider them optimal. Firefox 29 does NOT allow for this, Pale Moon does.
Our you could have spent ten minutes making changes to 29.
I did. I searched around, found CTR and installed that, I tried tweaking its options and also looked for solutions to the other problems I had. Granted I didn't post here, but I did stick with FF for another 2-3 weeks. However, it felt flaky and kludged. And when I found an alternative solution (Pale Moon) that just worked, I stopped messing around with alternative addons and used that instead. Why should I keep trying to bodge Firefox into shape when I have a solution in my hand?
The PaleMoon folks have no track record of radically changing Firefox. To do what Mozilla is doing takes a lot of money and a fair number of people. I wouldn't undertake the project and there is no suggestions that these folks are slackers. It is simply a much larger project then you suspect.
Err, if it was intentional on the part of the developer to 'do exceeding little original programing'
From different people I grant you, but herein lies the conundrum. To write a radically different browser requires a lot of money and programmers. I fully appreciate that. You cannot hope to remotely do what Mozilla does without a full team of dedicated developers. Pale Moon in contrast has one developer (who probably is not a full time programmer), yet because Pale Moon isn't radically different, he's accused of "doing exceedingly little original programming". Using these conflicting arguments, you cannot win (and this accusation is meant at this thread in general). Just keeping up with new Firefox releases, patching the bugs, porting the FF changes into the PM source code will be a regular and ongoing job, yet the developer is accused of being lazy just because you aren't seeing massively different changes and a radical departure from FF. Seriously, the guy cannot win here based on this conflicting logic!
Furthermore, you keep making sweeping accusations about whether or not PM can avoid Australis. You don't know, and to be honest neither do I. The developer says he will not implement it even after Firefox's new ESR is released. Until this statement is proved false, I will choose to believe it. You can believe differently, but you cannot just assume that you're right here. Individual developers have done much to change FF's looks with various addons, so it's perfectly possible for a single developer to do the same with the raw code.
Seriously, guys, you should know by now. BS here and I will have you.
And I will fire it right back at you. Let's be blunt, you have no idea how much programming the guy does. You are simply making a completely baseless and unfounded accusation and criticising the developer into the bargain. That is why it is disrespectful and offensive. If your arguments have any basis, tell me just how few lines of code get changed between PM and Firefox. Tell me how little time the developer spends on the project. Until you do, I will call YOUR accusations for the BS that they are.
If you want to call BS with me, explain a point where I'm actually wrong, why it's wrong, and back it up with some proof! Don't just fire out opinions and claim they're fact.