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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 6:01 am

No probs.
I should think by now, that most people who post here, know where the Official forum is located.
They sometimes post in both, just in case one or t'other can answer their Q's.

Plus....Both sites are just users-helping-users.
AFAIK, no Devs frequent that official site, either.
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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 6:19 am

msdobrescu wrote:Then this whole place is pointless, because crying on each other shoulder won't help anybody.

Way off the mark there. This forum is very, very good. It helps people with problems/issues they encounter and, by my reading of the topics, more often than not finds fixes, or guides people to the means to discover fixes, for the issues. There are several members of this forum with real expertise (I'm not one of them) regarding FF and they do a very good job of helping people out. That activity alone is far from "pointless" and is, in fact, as best as I can see, the reason for the existence of this forum.

If people want to post weeps about "FF this..." and "FF that..." then that is kind of fine up to point. If the forum was full of weep posts it would drown-out its usefulness in the main area it focuses on - fixing problems within the limits of the capability FF offers to do so.

This is a very good forum and far from pointless. Applause to the folks here that help users with issues, (they helped me with a few over the years). Long may they continue to do so. =D>

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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 6:54 am

Well, devs actually don't matter as long as the persons who should gather info from support sites are the ones that make feature decisions, rather than (only) implementing them.
These are so valuable places regarding the feedback even in getting the confirmation they are on the right track or not, or some preferred way of doing things with the tool they develop.
I know mostly people just complain, sometimes in an uncivilized way, but still, it should point to the most serious problems they might have in a concept or another.

Personally, what I dislike most lately is the trend that oversimplifies the software in order to be close to something they think it is the desired way just because it is forcibly advertised rather than preferred (for instance, KDE vs Windows, FF vs Chrome vs Edge). The concept teams - if there are any - should try to offer the uncommon rather than yet another thing doing the same as already ten others. This was FF, a rich in niche features offer that becomes a common software like any others. I know the effort to be that advanced, I should have seen coming after integrating myself SpiderMonkey - and during that many powerful features were cut too form a version to another... the signs were there...

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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 7:15 am

Well, devs actually don't matter as long as the persons who should gather info from support sites are the ones that make feature decisions, rather than (only) implementing them.



One of the better places to offer suggestions and to report bugs about Firefox is the Mozilla Bugzilla. You should go there.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

However you can not post large rants. They accept short, precise posts.

Now if you still want to post rambling rants I would suggest Reddit. You can setup your own sub-Reddit and post away.

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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 8:13 am

No, these were not rants, rather assessments or a personal opinions. I wouldn't say these loud, shouting, but gently, resignedly. This is how should be read, despite these are unpleasant statements for many.

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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 9:13 am

and make FF more than what is it, more than just another chrome copy.

thats complete rubbish. try chrome and you will get the differences very far, faster than you would like. try it and only then we can talk on same level.

i am pretty sure that 99.9..9 % of all chrome users will stuck on local installations of extension files - its not that simple. chrome never supported userchrome.css, neither userchrome.js or user.js. say WHAT??? chrome never had any usable tab extension. tab saver, tab session manager, tabmix plus WE? in your dreams! decent bookmark manager? never had.

go chrome and people will cry rivers.

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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 2:07 pm

You do occasionally get a dev in the builds threads. Most people don't notice. And as far as I am concerned whining in any forum in the hopes the powers that be see it is juvenile and asinine
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Post Posted February 9th, 2018, 2:07 pm

This forum is a great place as a community, one of my favorite sites. And as Brummelchen mentioned, Firefox is no where near a Chrome clone, so many differences, as he pointed out.

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Post Posted February 10th, 2018, 11:18 am

tomatoshadow2 wrote:This forum is a great place as a community, one of my favorite sites. And as Brummelchen mentioned, Firefox is no where near a Chrome clone, so many differences, as he pointed out.


Even the more plausibly Chromium-based "Chrome clones" such as Opera and Vivaldi, aren't.

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Post Posted February 19th, 2018, 8:57 am

True, should have used different wording.

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Post Posted May 10th, 2018, 11:05 am

For me choice was sticking with ESR until sites started breaking or go with Chrome. After having used Chrome for a few months have come to these conclusions:

-rendering web pages is fine
-memory use pretty good
-have spent many hours finding out how to neuter its bad habits with regard to privacy and performance with some success
-took awhile to find a way to have bookmarks open from the top left side of the browser, rather than the backwards default
-hate not being able to customize the toolbar and other browser aspects
-unable to find a way to stop extensions from updating to newer versions although I was able to stop Chrome the browser from doing it
-in finding extensions thru trial and error, found a lot that were too chatty with popups, requests to give a good review, etc.
-options buried in too many levels to find quickly
-no menu bar at the top

Keeping it for now but may change my mind and go back to ESR or ??? (probably not Quantum)
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Post Posted May 10th, 2018, 6:24 pm

I'm using Quantum v60 at work. I've just enable WebRender. I must admit that the performance is stellar
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Post Posted May 10th, 2018, 11:30 pm

unable to find a way to stop extensions from updating to newer versions

you cant. even in experienced mode you cant.
its bad habits with regard to privacy and performance with some success

same settings as in firefox, nothing special, nothing hidden -> chrome:flags - but firefox is easier to handle with prefs and user.js

conclusion - if you managed chrome (better: chromium) you wont have any problems with quantum.
in fact it gets easier to work with quantum than esr because chrome extensions are similar/same as for quantum and not the old xul system.
may this make your decision easy - because with upcoming september the old 52esr rail is DEAD.

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Post Posted May 11th, 2018, 8:06 am

noway1 wrote:unable to find a way to stop extensions from updating to newer versions

go to tools/add-ons - click on the gear button and change setting to "Reset all add-ons to update manually"
noway1 wrote:-no menu bar at the top

Hit the Alt key and when the menu becomes visible hit /View/Toolbars/ and check Menu Bar

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Post Posted May 11th, 2018, 8:11 am

Grumpus wrote:
noway1 wrote:unable to find a way to stop extensions from updating to newer versions

go to tools/add-ons - click on the gear button and change setting to "Reset all add-ons to update manually"
noway1 wrote:-no menu bar at the top

Hit the Alt key and when the menu becomes visible hit /View/Toolbars/ and check Menu Bar

It's not immediately clear in the quoted post, but the bits you are quoting are all related to Google Chrome, not Firefox.
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