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Post Posted September 20th, 2019, 10:40 pm

Well, the time has come unfortunately. I unfortunately no longer have time to keep the site running (as you may have noticed). I'll be moving the site into readonly mode, to prepare to archive it in the next little while, starting with the KB, then the Forums. It's been a pleasure serving you for the last 21 years, but all good things must come to an end. Special thanks to the moderators who have hung on for so long, and everyone else who continues to post and chat.

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Post Posted September 21st, 2019, 12:32 am

Oh wow .. Is it time or money or both?

hmm I guess the SUMO forums is going to get the traffic from here that is if people are willing to use a Firefox Account just to post on the SUMO site.

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Post Posted September 21st, 2019, 4:38 pm

Frank's suggestion of using OSL's managed hosting makes a lot of sense. Kerz has been extremely hands off most of the time. We could get by with an admin that mainly just chose replacement moderators as needed. I wish he had discussed his plans beforehand with the moderators.

I'll miss this community.

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Post Posted September 22nd, 2019, 8:38 pm

Howdy folks, just a few answers. Unfortunately due to the size and age of the current set of forums, I'm not sure OSU is all that interested in continuing to host them without someone owning the actual software to run them. I'm working with them to host an archive of them, but need to start winding down things like databases and dynamic code, as I just don't have time anymore. I will miss you all here as well. If you're interested, I've created https://reddit.com/r/mozillazine/ which I'd be happy to open to others. I find reddit to be a much better interface these days rather than these old forums, hopefully you'll give it a try as well.

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Post Posted September 23rd, 2019, 1:49 am

kerz wrote:Howdy folks, just a few answers. Unfortunately due to the size and age of the current set of forums, I'm not sure OSU is all that interested in continuing to host them without someone owning the actual software to run them.

Just transfer ownership, as I imagine Chris Nelson did with you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MozillaZine

...but need to start winding down things like databases and dynamic code, as I just don't have time anymore.

Wouldn't it be far more time/work efficient just to do nothing instead?
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Post Posted September 23rd, 2019, 7:06 pm

Sorry, by owning I mean someone who knows PHP, MySQL, etc who can patch both the machines and the software itself as new versions come out. Just leaving something running on the internet is a bad idea, and not something that OSU supports, which is why we're here now (I agree with them). The reason keeping MZ alive is because of how much legacy there is. If someone is interested in figuring out a new forum that they'd like me to point at, happy to do so. I can not however transfer the current data to a new owner, because of the complexities of that (user data sharing, etc).

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Post Posted September 23rd, 2019, 9:50 pm

kerz wrote:Sorry, by owning I mean someone who knows PHP, MySQL, etc who can patch both the machines and the software itself as new versions come out. Just leaving something running on the internet is a bad idea, and not something that OSU supports, which is why we're here now (I agree with them). The reason keeping MZ alive is because of how much legacy there is. If someone is interested in figuring out a new forum that they'd like me to point at, happy to do so. I can not however transfer the current data to a new owner, because of the complexities of that (user data sharing, etc).

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Will the forum threads and articles be archived where they are still accessible and searchable online?

What is the problem with transferring ownership. Is ownership of the data in an entity or an individual? You are concerned about legal liability of transferring anonymous user data? or transferring parts of background user data like real names and email addresses?

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Post Posted September 23rd, 2019, 11:18 pm

Both. Yes, plan is to move the entire content base to static hosting.

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Post Posted September 24th, 2019, 7:15 am

kerz wrote:... plan is to move the entire content base to static hosting.


Jason, from reading your previous replies, I think the 2 questions I have are these -

#1. Do you personally want mozillaZine to exist and carry on into the future?

#2. If so, are you prepared to work with the community here and with OSL to make that happen?

I ask that, firstly, because the Open Source Labs at Oregon State University may well be quite keen to see probably the oldest Open Source products discussion forum on the entire Internet carry on as before. i.e. it proves that Open Source is here to stay and not some relic of the past to be only shown as a museum piece.

Secondly, I ask because if you do not actually want the site to carry on at all, then all the good suggestions we make here are not going to succeed, are they?
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Post Posted September 24th, 2019, 10:03 am

I have run and maintained phpBB powered forums before, but what else is involved? How is the hosting / domain name paid for?

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Post Posted September 28th, 2019, 6:27 pm

Much of the stuff is outdated, although the current data is priceless.

I've put an announcement in virtualdr.com and sevenforums.com for anyone who might help save the site or start a new one.
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Post Posted September 28th, 2019, 6:30 pm

probably better off to start Fresh IMO as some of the stuff is Outdated but i kinda wouldnt be surprised to see Neowin forums get more action with Firefox related stuff, there's already a ( Firefox.Next ) Thread there

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Post Posted September 28th, 2019, 11:44 pm

Just looked at Neowin, and they have only one forum for all of Windows, presumably XP-->10. There are also forums for cars, sports and gaming. I don't think they'll set up separate forums for FF, TB, SM, 3rd Party Builds, Extensions, etc. like we have here. I'm not likely to contract someone who can help me tweak my css to customize my Firefox.
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Post Posted September 29th, 2019, 7:43 am

Kerz,

I've been around as a member since 2002 and a lurker for many years prior.... you are not the first administrator of MozillaZine. Is it not possible for you to transition this forum to new management instead?
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Post Posted September 29th, 2019, 12:50 pm

Hello. I made an account here today to say thank you for this project and express sadness that it will end.

I've used the knowledge base heavily and it has been helpful beyond measure. Hopefully it will prove possible to act on Frank Lion's suggestion and shift to OSU Open Source Lab's managed hosting rather than shut everything down.

Best wishes - and again, thank you for the many years of Mozillazine.

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