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Post Posted August 22nd, 2003, 2:49 am

bijugc wrote:Giving wat people want !!!

If u want to disable Exit, try <a href=http://downloads.us-east3.mozdev.org/quicktools/QuickToolsDisableExit.xpi>QuickToolsDisableExit.xpi</a>

or to change as close window, try <a href=http://downloads.us-east3.mozdev.org/quicktools/QuickToolsExit2Close.xpi>QuickToolsExit2Close.xpi</a>


I thought we were talking about how an average end-user would react to Firebird closing all windows unexpectedly.

A Firebird hacker will customize it to his liking in 5 minutes, no worries here.

A beginner however may just say fuckit and go back to using IE 6. For the simple reason that when you run into such a stupidity during the first 2 minutes of getting accustomed to the new program, chances are you'll get more stupidities in future, while with IE you always get (more or less) what you expect.

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Post Posted August 22nd, 2003, 1:00 pm

*Points to above post*

Classic Netscape had it right; with Close and Exit right next to each other on the File menu, there's a clear difference between the two, and with a "Close all windows?" warning when you press Exit, people will figure it out.

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 7:24 am

bijugc wrote:Giving wat people want !!!
Why a big debt for a simple thing

Here are two extensions, use only ONE

If u want to disable Exit, try <a href=http://downloads.us-east3.mozdev.org/quicktools/QuickToolsDisableExit.xpi>QuickToolsDisableExit.xpi</a>


NICE! Thanks very much--that's one less editing chore I have to do.

Could you possibly add a variation that disables the hideous "open in tabs"?

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 8:33 am

I remember reading through 10 pages of the first discussion and finding it about where we are. Still... I don't really mind seeing it come up again.

It seems like the best compromise, mentioned then and now, is a confirmation dialog. I would only ask that it have a checkbox (like the default browser and secure-page warnings) allowing it to be disabled.

Chris, asquithea: you two seem to be the main proponents of either viewpoint. From either perspective, what would be bad about such a change? It would prevent dataloss and retain functionality; is that so bad?

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 10:07 am

jiv wrote:It seems like the best compromise, mentioned then and now, is a confirmation dialog. I would only ask that it have a checkbox (like the default browser and secure-page warnings) allowing it to be disabled.

No. Dialogs are annoying and should be avoided whenever possible. Firebird should just follow the standard: Exit should close its own window, not other windows.

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 2:18 pm

Eh. Others would say that dialogs can be lifesavers. I still think being able to close all windows at once is a useful feature.

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 5:09 pm

djst wrote:No. Dialogs are annoying and should be avoided whenever possible. Firebird should just follow the standard: Exit should close its own window, not other windows.


Yes on that front, but TBE's close-all-tabs dialogue has saved my life several times. It's probably the only "are you sure you want to exit?" dialogue I've ever not hated.

- Chris

PS "standard". On Windows. Hee hee.

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 5:31 pm

Surely the top RH "X" suffices to close any program? Isn't the majority of this thread fashioned upon paranoic preferences? One contributor cited the fact he felt a program did not necessarily close fully unless there was a specific "exit" command...

Ooooer... this is getting a little frightening... has sanity deserted a few people here completely?

FB offers tab *and* program closing options on the toolbars, there's really no need for duplication in the sub-menus... else we'll all be going back in time towards the M$ perception of calling another way to crack the same nut "an extra feature..."

Hmmm... simple is efficient...

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 5:43 pm

You're missing the point I think. The menu option goes further than the X in the top-right; it will actually shut entirely different windows on your desktop. Which is an anachronistic annoyance.

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Post Posted August 25th, 2003, 5:50 pm

Apols... l run FB with single instance (window) usually, so point taken... but wow, what an extended thread none-the-less...

A requirement of FB is that all users are nocturnal...

Pass me another carrot please Ed...

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Post Posted May 25th, 2004, 10:31 am

Damned lost all information :-) when i clicked on the black cross right up. To find out it is a feature, looks like MS/IE.
They say FF is more advanced then FF, i just switched from M to FF and it however FF is advanced, sometimes i see things that are so unfriendly". The good old GOD complex that may IT'ers have "Users are stupid, we tell the users what theyshould want"

Isnt it possible to make a option in FF you can select:
1. Always close all tabbed windows without asking confirmation
2. Always ask confirmation before closing all tabbed windows.

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Post Posted May 25th, 2004, 2:58 pm

Isn't the simplest solution to just say "quit", instead of "exit"?
The sooner you fall behind, the longer you have to catch up.

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Post Posted May 25th, 2004, 9:07 pm

that won't help anything. people will make the same mistake, and that's not the convention in other apps anyway.

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Post Posted May 26th, 2004, 10:03 am

So true, just lost 20 painfuully searched pages.
I call this feature "the click of dead"

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