Discussion of features in Mozilla Firefox
<b>Strongly suggest V2.0 keep the option "force in same tab"</b>
I like firefox very much, it's so exciting.
But in the firefox version 2.0 beta, the option "Force links that open new windows to open in the same tab/window as the link" was unfortunately removed.
In CHINA, almost every sites mark links open in new window , for advertisement income improvement or some other reason. In firefox version 1.3, the option "force in same tab" is very usefull to me. Totally get rid of the trouble of plentiful windows(IE6) or tabs(IE7).
I don't know the reason why kill this option, nothing can do but express my suggestion.
Thanks a lot.
Are you talking about the missing UI or the feature working differently than it did in Firefox 1.5?
about:config -> browser.link.open_newwindow -> 1
Prior to 2.0, .open_newwindow.restriction applied to window.open() calls only. As I understand it, Gecko 1.8.1+ removed the .open_newwindow check from nsDocShell in bug 323810, so now anything without special window features (target=_blank) is included by the remaining code in nsContentTreeOwner.
1: open in the current window
2: open in a new window (seamonkey: default)
3: open in a new tab (firefox: default)
0: no restrictions - divert everything (seamonkey: default)
1: don't divert window.open at all
2: don't divert window.open with features (firefox: default)
That's okey, but this useful feature should be kept in UI as what Firefox 1.5 did, just let users make their own decision.
Nothing can do but express my suggestion. Thanks a lot.
Yes. Please reintegrate that in the UI. Many users (including me) wants to have the control over which links are opened in new tabs and which are not. Currently it is very difficult to open a link in the same tab when the webpage wants to open a new one.
Is there a bugzilla-bug?
This pref is merged? It looks like if it is erased from the UI. Where is the merged pref?
It would be very silly if you had to install a extension to set a simple and important about:config pref.
Why not make an additional option button "in the same tab"?
The previous UI was much better. Now the prefpane is so empty and there are many important preferences missing.
Previously, the UI had this:
Now it has this:
The setting applies for external and internal link clicks. Instead of having a pointless extra option (as if, for some reason, people are going to want tabs in some cases but windows in others) , it's tabs or windows - take your pick.
The old wording was bad. The old choices were bad.
"the most recent tab" is destructive as it replaces content without the user even realising (a minimised Firefox window would lose it's current page as it handles external links). After the removal of that, the two preferences are for all intents and purposes identical and therefore got merged.
No it wouldn't. That's why over-the-top pref tweaking extensions have existed since forever. See Tab Mix Plus if you want control over a few dozen tab preferences for some reason.
Because it doesn't make any sense. Users either want tabs or they want windows. They certainly aren't going to benefit from a mix of both (which would lead to confusion about the inconsistent behaviour of the browser) and nobody benefits from their current web page (minimised) being lost when they click a link in an email program.
The reason is: I don't want web authors to decide when I get a new tab/window.
There is currently no way to circumvent a <code>target="_blank"</code> link - while you've got the choice to force links into new windows or tabs (through the context menu or some modifiers). The difference between internal and external links can also be seen as follows: when you follow an internal link you might know that you don't need/want the current page any longer - and when you activate an external links, there is no such thing as a "current page" (resp. it is an arbitrary page). Because of this, having an additional option to ignore link targets makes IMO sense (although the option might need to be reworded).
NB: I suppose that independently of these settings, sized popups will per default always open as windows.
I do not want to open links from external applications in the same tab. That would be destructive and ugly. I don't want that webpages can force new tabs/windows. With the old preferences you could select
Now external links are not destructive, but webpages do not have the control over new windows/tabs. Currently you can not make such preferences.
I suggest the following UI:
And the new wording is bad, too:
Who said that links from external applications would open new windows? Nobody.
Grab an extension.
If anything, I'd prefer to see a hidden pref to ignore targets that open new windows/tabs. I don't see why this needs UI. Developers have been discouraged from using such links for as long as I can remember, anyway.
Your sample wording above is too long. No wording is going to be perfect, but the current wording works.
Indeed, nobody is saying this at all. This is what's known as a heuristic. The user isn't told that this will happen, but it happens.
Whether or not the "ignore targets" type setting is useful is a matter of debate. Clearly the developers don't think it's worth keeping, otherwise it'd be there. It also doesn't make sense when you're asking the user what to do in cases where new windows would be opened.
There are extension solutions to this, and I suspect that's what you're going to have to use unless you can make a much better case for including it.
I did not want to give a better wording, I want to make a better set of preferences and UI design.
Of course you could shorten that "Force links that open new windows/tabs to the same window/tab".
My point is removing that "would open new windows" and replacing it with a general setting "use tabs"/"use windows". And the new checkbox at the bottom would expose the "missing" pref this thread is about.
Which doesn't prevent this very forum to add <code>target="_blank"</code> to all phpBB links.
I'm even more interested in how complete they plan to remove the different code paths for when a new window should be opened. As of this comment to bug 324164, there won't even be two different hidden prefs - meaning that extension authors - myself included - might have to do more than just add UI for them (and no, just dynamically removing all <code>target</code> attributes isn't a clean solution for this issue).
I don't think highly of phpBB in general.
Those prefs are only back because the way they were handled in the new configuration was technically worse. Giving back the choice was the only reasonable solution in the time-frame, but not necessarily the correct one.
If you're bothered by this, you should track down Mike Connor and talk to him about your concerns. He's quite often on IRC and does respond to email.
It's like saying "let's remove popup blocker, good guys don't do popups".
The UI change was based on an assumption that there should be fewer differences between client and web apps. I find this idea rather strange, because web apps are maybe 0.001% of all the pages on the Internet. And many of those 99.999% pages abuse the options to open links in new windows.
I think zeniko makes excellent points, but trying to persuade Firefox devs once they settled on their decision is no fun.
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