Firefox fails every 5 out of 10 times
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Same problem
Same software - ff, avg, za with vista premium on an acer laptop dual core 1gb
Pain in the arse - if I wait about 5 mins after boot then it does not happen. Its really annoying as I have also used ff for years without problem.
It seems to be vista that is doing something - I use the same programs above on a machine running xp (not dual core though) and do not get this problem - ever.
Pain in the arse - if I wait about 5 mins after boot then it does not happen. Its really annoying as I have also used ff for years without problem.
It seems to be vista that is doing something - I use the same programs above on a machine running xp (not dual core though) and do not get this problem - ever.
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This problem has started for me recently; setup is an Acer laptop Intel dual core with 2gb RAM, Vista Home Premium, Firefox 2.0.0.11, AVG and ZoneAlarm. Vista came pre installed, together with 90 day trial Norton Internet Security - no problems with Firefox....
When Norton trial period expired, removed this fully (using Norton's removal tools) and installed AVG and ZoneAlarm - still no problems, but a few days later I also "removed" another pre installed program - Cyberlink PowerProducer 3.7, and within a day or so, the problem with Firefox began....
.."removed Cyberlink" consisted of deleting all directories, files and registry entries relating to the program, as the 'Uninstall' facility in the program did not exist (only an inoperative icon), and it could not be removed through the control panel! On contacting Cyberlink support, their "assistance" commenced with "Click on the uninstall icon..." !!!
Four other machines in the house (all with ZoneAlarm, three NortonAV and one AVG) work perfectly with Firefox - but all are running XP ( two XP Home, two XP Pro).......
I will experiment with disabling AVG, then starting FF, restarting AVG, then connecting to internet, but I have my doubts.....
When Norton trial period expired, removed this fully (using Norton's removal tools) and installed AVG and ZoneAlarm - still no problems, but a few days later I also "removed" another pre installed program - Cyberlink PowerProducer 3.7, and within a day or so, the problem with Firefox began....
.."removed Cyberlink" consisted of deleting all directories, files and registry entries relating to the program, as the 'Uninstall' facility in the program did not exist (only an inoperative icon), and it could not be removed through the control panel! On contacting Cyberlink support, their "assistance" commenced with "Click on the uninstall icon..." !!!
Four other machines in the house (all with ZoneAlarm, three NortonAV and one AVG) work perfectly with Firefox - but all are running XP ( two XP Home, two XP Pro).......
I will experiment with disabling AVG, then starting FF, restarting AVG, then connecting to internet, but I have my doubts.....
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Solution found
I think I have finally found a solution to having Firefox not start up and be stuck in the Task Manager with no way to end it on Vista.
The problem, as I suspected long time ago, is with Vista's new networking stack. I have found a thread here http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic ... 71#3075971 that explains how to reset the network stack to its original state (just as it was when Vista was installed). After doing this, the problem no longer occurred (I did 6 reboots in a row and Firefox always started fine).
Here are the steps to reset the stack from that thread:
Open up command prompt as an admin (press Windows Key + R to open 'Run' dialog, then type 'cmd'). Then, in cmd type:
netsh winsock reset catalog
netsh int ip reset reset.log
netsh int ipv6 reset reset.log
Also, I think Microsoft will fix the issue in Service Pack 1 once it comes out. I tried installing SP1 RC1 on my Vista machine (before resetting the stack) and have found that the problem no longer occurred, although a much more major problem started happening - I started getting BSODs when browsing the internet with Firefox. All BSODs happened because of a null pointer somewhere in NETIO.SYS, which is probably the driver that caused the original Firefox hang problem and got patched by MS.
The problem, as I suspected long time ago, is with Vista's new networking stack. I have found a thread here http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic ... 71#3075971 that explains how to reset the network stack to its original state (just as it was when Vista was installed). After doing this, the problem no longer occurred (I did 6 reboots in a row and Firefox always started fine).
Here are the steps to reset the stack from that thread:
Open up command prompt as an admin (press Windows Key + R to open 'Run' dialog, then type 'cmd'). Then, in cmd type:
netsh winsock reset catalog
netsh int ip reset reset.log
netsh int ipv6 reset reset.log
Also, I think Microsoft will fix the issue in Service Pack 1 once it comes out. I tried installing SP1 RC1 on my Vista machine (before resetting the stack) and have found that the problem no longer occurred, although a much more major problem started happening - I started getting BSODs when browsing the internet with Firefox. All BSODs happened because of a null pointer somewhere in NETIO.SYS, which is probably the driver that caused the original Firefox hang problem and got patched by MS.
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Keep us posted, nik.tech. This is very interesting, and it will be interesting to see how this turns out. Microsoft has completely rewritten their network stack in Vista ("stack" is geek-speak for "big pile of software"). It's all so incredibly complicated that some people are saying it might not work quite right for a few <i>years!</i>
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Looking good so far...
After months of searching for a solution, yours is working very well so far, thank you very much! I'll post again in this thread in a few days to let you know if it's still working.
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If it works again you can make a batch file and a shortcut.
Think for yourself. Otherwise you have to believe what other people tell you.
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Constitution says: One man, one vote. Supreme court says: One dollar, one vote.
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Maybe create a batch file to start firefox and include the reset commands after.
Think for yourself. Otherwise you have to believe what other people tell you.
A society based on individualism is an oxymoron. || Freedom is at first the freedom to starve.
Constitution says: One man, one vote. Supreme court says: One dollar, one vote.
A society based on individualism is an oxymoron. || Freedom is at first the freedom to starve.
Constitution says: One man, one vote. Supreme court says: One dollar, one vote.
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Just insert "....\firefox.exe" in front of the reset commands.
And change the target of the firefox shortcut to that file.
Then firefox will run first and after firefox has closed the reset commands are executed.
And change the target of the firefox shortcut to that file.
Then firefox will run first and after firefox has closed the reset commands are executed.
Think for yourself. Otherwise you have to believe what other people tell you.
A society based on individualism is an oxymoron. || Freedom is at first the freedom to starve.
Constitution says: One man, one vote. Supreme court says: One dollar, one vote.
A society based on individualism is an oxymoron. || Freedom is at first the freedom to starve.
Constitution says: One man, one vote. Supreme court says: One dollar, one vote.
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This is strange as my Firefox has been doing fine this whole week with that fix.
Are you sure the unopened Firefox process cannot be killed from the task manager?
You might want to make sure that your Vista is updated as much as possible with Windows Update.
You can also try (on your own risk as this caused a lot of blue screens for me) Vista Service Pack 1 Release Candidate 1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... layLang=en
Are you sure the unopened Firefox process cannot be killed from the task manager?
You might want to make sure that your Vista is updated as much as possible with Windows Update.
You can also try (on your own risk as this caused a lot of blue screens for me) Vista Service Pack 1 Release Candidate 1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... layLang=en