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Post by sensemann »

There have been several people asking me to make a graph like I do for Firefox... here it is.

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edit: fixed the dates.
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Post by whistleway »

nice graph, sensemann :) wtg.
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Subsequent off-topic posts have been moved to Locked Posts.
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nice work!

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Post by flake »

Senseman, what software do you use to make these nice looking graphs?
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Post by fishbert »

Neil Parks wrote:Subsequent off-topic posts have been moved to Locked Posts.
My on-topic post was moved along with the off-topic ones, so here it is again (retaining the "salty language" edits).

fishbert wrote:holy {bleep}! it's something resembling the crap I see every week at work!
what the hell?! are we to think that the mozilla projects are trying to be.... professional?! Eh?

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Post by Nitin »

What's ontopic about your post?
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Post by fishbert »

What's off-topic about it?

It's a complement of the graph, laden with sarcasm.
And if that's off-topic, then so are the comments from whistleway and zachariah.

Heck, even if it were mistaken as a slam against the graph, it would still be on-topic.
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Post by marke »

only 24 bugs :|
good-good!
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Post by Greg K Nicholson »

sensemann, the graph's legend says the dotted red line shows open 0.9 bugs; but the arrow on the graph (pointing from the x-axis to the dotted red line) suggests the line represents unfixed 0.9 bugs. If the legend is right, the arrow should point to the dotted blue line instead of the axis.
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Post by sulla »

Hi All!

If somebody posts a "shit" here, why on earth replace it by "{bleep}"?
Where the hell are we?

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Post by gaspeer »

sulla wrote:Hi All!

If somebody posts a "shit" here, why on earth replace it by "{bleep}"?
Where the hell are we?

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Where are we?? We're in a PUBLIC forum, not a private discussion group.
And in a public forum, you should have enough class not to use gratuitous
profanity. If the moderators choose to "bleep" out profanity because some
people are offended, then what's the problem with that?

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Post by fishbert »

Though this is discussion is quite off-topic (we already had one sub-thread get locked in the attic, people)...
gaspeer wrote:... in a public forum, you should have enough class not to use gratuitous profanity.
Does the house offer courtesy ties? I seem to have left mine at home...
I'd hardly call one minor swear word as "gratuitous," and you should probably have enough class not to 'should' all over people. =)
gaspeer wrote:If the moderators choose to "bleep" out profanity because some people are offended, then what's the problem with that?
Absolutely nothing.
Even if there is no reason, it's still their discretion. Maybe you post "I like flowers," but a moderator decides to censor it because they do not like flowers. Nothing explicitly wrong with that. (though I disagree with it, respect for the moderator's decision is why I left the "salty language" censor in my re-post.)

Over-use of censorship, though, may turn off the userbase and be counter-productive. I left the forums at www.ocworkbench.com a year or two ago because the forum moderators were censoring things as silly as the names of other users which they had banned (and they had banned some legitimately helpful and perfectly civil users -- not people who had it coming). Forum censorship can be a tricky balance for moderators sometimes.
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Post by fishbert »

So, reading the latest graph (as of this writing), a good number of 0.9-targeted bugs have been fixed, but a good number seem to also have been un-marked as 0.9-targeted (0.9 unfixed goes down about 15, but 0.9 fixed only goes up by about 10). Ok, not so bad... but the 1.0-targeted list stays right at 14 during that time. Shouldn't most of those 0.9-targeted bugs (which seem to have been pushed out) have become 1.0-targeted bugs?
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fishbert wrote:So, reading the latest graph (as of this writing), a good number of 0.9-targeted bugs have been fixed, but a good number seem to also have been un-marked as 0.9-targeted (0.9 unfixed goes down about 15, but 0.9 fixed only goes up by about 10). Ok, not so bad... but the 1.0-targeted list stays right at 14 during that time. Shouldn't most of those 0.9-targeted bugs (which seem to have been pushed out) have become 1.0-targeted bugs?


If you are concerned you should take a look at the actual bugs. It may be that a fix to one bug made some other bugs irrelevant, or it may be that some bugs have been resolved in a way other than 'FIXED'. Also, as time goes by there is more pressure to remove blocking from bugs which are actually 'enhancements'. You should take up bug-watching - it's fun :)
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