Discussion of general topics about Mozilla Firefox
It was posted in a German speaking part of another Community:
"Nun auch kleine "Spione" im deutschen Firefox?, Ebay-Searchplugin u. webtip.ch" @ board.iexbeta.com
And although I didn't notice this before (I don't search eBay very often) I can reproduce it on every single Firefox 1.0 de-DE version near me:
The eBay Search-Plugin does NOT use the plain eBay search feature (like the ones you can get here: http://mycroft.mozdev.org/quick/ebay.html ) but this link:
http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/707-1 ... search.dll?
To my knowledge, this is particular to the GERMAN version of Firefox and no "partner-links" like that produce revenue in the official en-US version of Firefox.
It's not an evilly modified de-DE Version of Firefox I'm talking about, but the one you get when you download it formm the official mozilla-website:
http://download.mozilla.org/?product=fi ... 001;=de-DE
Why was this done?
That doesn't really make Firefox Freeware anymore, the correct term would be adware - at least for the de-DE version ...
Who benefits from this?
Who gets all the money earned by this "feature"? There most likely is already close to a million Germans using this version of Firefox ... that should generate a good amount of money, maybe even more than you get for a professional software-translation. And it's a steady income due to the growing number of German users every day.
One thing is for sure though: Its not the user who benefits. Every well configured Ad-Blocker renders the "official" German eBay plugin useless.
And I really hate the idea that mediaplex logs every single eBay search I do, especially since the last applicatuion that I would expect spying on me was Firefox ... well, until now.
Is this known?
Did the Mozilla Foundation know, that there is an ad-link like this in a version of Firefox thats hosted on their servers and distributed over their website?
This is, how the content of the searchplugin currently looks like:
This is identical to the file you get form the official update-links:
http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de/produc ... x/eBay.src
I did some research and could find a discussion about it here:
http://firefox.stw.uni-duisburg.de/foru ... 77&start=0
There even is some kind of statement by Abdulkadir Topal, the official translator of the de-DE version (sorry, German only):
This only calms me down a little ... it especially doesn't really explain the reroute over "adfarm.mediaplex.com" and why this is a de-DE version-only thing.
In my opinion this is still really really bad. Many people download Firefox 1.0 just to get away from Spy- and Adware ... and the first thing they see wehn they use an OFFICIAL search plugin is above ad-link. Especially for the 1.0 release this is just plain bad and should be changed asap.
Can someone please close this thread?
This issue is discussed in the german FF forums, and there is no reason to split it.
The german thread has attention by both Mozilla Europe and the Foundation, represented by me and Mitchell Baker. Which is up to now ignored by the poster.
This is an issue that affects the whole Firefox community, not only the ones who speak German.
I don't want to "split" anything (and I really doubt that this English thread is able to split a German discussion on a German board) but I want to know what the international community thinks of the fact, that there is advertisment in at least one of the releases distributed on http://www.getfirefox.com !
This is a serious issue and I'm slowly getting the feeling that whoever is responsible for the advertisment/"partner-link" wants to keep the discussion about it as small and limited as possible ...
The issue was now even reported on the heise newsticker, one of the most important German tech-sites there is:
I still don't understand why only the de-DE release uses this kind of advertisement. And I still think this is really bad for Firefox' popularity.
I am really disappointed. This spyware should be removed as soon as possible
Yes. It's a giant conspiracy.
All kidding aside, I can understand your concern, but I don't think it's something that warrants the paranoia you have. It could very well have been a fluke. Despite the intentions, I agree that it's an issue that needs to be fixed - by the Europe Firefox board. If anyone will get this fixed, it's them.
However, for the time being, you can always get a new eBay search plugin via the MyCroft page. http://mycroft.mozdev.org/
Mozilla Europe must have a lot of fear about such a discussion.
I think you don't know HOW MUCH you hurt the opensourcecommunity in Germany and reading the firefox forum in Germany I think you'll never be able to learn.
And now you try to CLOSE this thread ?????????
Who do you think YOU ARE ? You the BBMFIC or what ?
He's the respresentitive of Mozilla Europe, that's who he thinks he is. And I'm sure they're working right now to fix it. So no discussion is really needed, not that I can see anyway. They made a mistake and now it's being fixed, I trust.
Guys, you need to get this straight: The German Firefox reroutes searches made on ebay.de to a website in Switzerland that apparently mines the data. The people behind Firefox get money for this.
One thing is for sure: If IE did anything like this all hell would break lose.
You officials should be very much aware that this puts one giant dent into the trust that people put into OSS.
And calling this a "mistake" is quite an understatement. This was a planned action, mistakes aren't planned.
So, if you're able to read and understand the german language, read the official german firefox support forum, especially this thread
http://firefox.stw.uni-duisburg.de/foru ... &start=135
and see what hell brake lose. I don't think they even see what they've done. They don't understand that even the smallest piece of "spyware" is a "BAD BAD THING" in firefox.
Why not let the user decide on installation if he / she wants that ?
And btw. WHY not tell the english speaking community, that they've done that ? Why not discuss this here ?
Why try and close this thread ?
Boy oh boy ... good coders they are, but otherwise .. no idea about PR.
Typing "a" instead of "b" can be a mistake. If an extension dosen't work, that might be a mistake. If there are few bugs in the final release, that is a mistake. We can understand all these things.
But typing "profit" instead of "b" is not a mistake, its intentional!!!
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7
Agreed. Okay, not so much a mistake in that context, more of a mistake of judgement by the person who did it. However, I am, for one, certain it will be rectified.
Oh, und kannst ich auf Deutsch sprachen und verstehen. However, that's not the point. I can't see what good would come out of people discussing the mistake (I'll keep on calling it that) of a translator. it will just become a massive hate thread. And as I've said, I'm sure they're going to fix it, so what good could come out of it?
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