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Why Firefox 3 isn't acid2 compliant

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December 17th, 2006, 6:06 am

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 6:06 am

when the mozilla project started (and I have been using mozilla since M9) everyone talked about standards. Now in firefox 3 they are making incompatible changes in javascript and then the part of the web that has been stabilished like the acid2 that should only assert for something firefox already says it supports (css2) don't work with firefox 3 alpha.

I can't beleive what I will say but I am with the most compatible browser now... Safari. Probably conqueror is as good as safari and maybe now with kde4 it will be a port to windows... so lame.

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December 17th, 2006, 6:15 am

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 6:15 am

Firefox 3 will support acid2. Firefox 3 is not finished yet.

Firefox 3 alpha 1 (Gran Paradiso) does not quite support acid2. The last few changes to the engine were not ready in time for the alpha 3 deadline. The latest nighly builds do support acid2.
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December 17th, 2006, 6:33 am

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 6:33 am

I saw that... I was just amazed by it...

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December 17th, 2006, 6:35 am

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 6:35 am

I'm sorry for my post, just that acid2 is been around a long time, I never thought that only the latest changes in gecko 1.9 would fix it... now I'm going to test my pages on FF minefield, Safari, Opera 9 and IE7 (if I can get it to run on mac os x without installing a full windows xp image).

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December 17th, 2006, 7:05 am

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 7:05 am

well technecly it did pass acid 2 just the image reflow issues which were harder too fix then any rendering bugs

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December 17th, 2006, 12:30 pm

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 12:30 pm

Acid2 is not a straightforward standards-compliance test. A more accurate standards comparison is here:
http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support.php
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December 17th, 2006, 2:12 pm

Post Posted December 17th, 2006, 2:12 pm

retype wrote:Now in firefox 3 they are making incompatible changes in javascript and then the part of the web that has been stabilished like the acid2 that should only assert for something firefox already says it supports (css2) don't work with firefox 3 alpha.


What are those incompatible changes in javascript?
Or are they just bugs in an alpha build?

And as other people have pointed out the alpha1 was released just before the reflow branch landed so it could be easier to test for any regression. Check the acid2 test with a daily build.

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December 18th, 2006, 8:01 am

Post Posted December 18th, 2006, 8:01 am

The Minefield builds miss passing the Acid test by maybe 1 pixel (the nose placement is slightly off), but it's damn close!!!

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December 18th, 2006, 8:30 am

Post Posted December 18th, 2006, 8:30 am

retype wrote:Now in firefox 3 they are making incompatible changes in javascript <snip>

Really? What incompatible changes in javascript? I'd find that pretty hard to believe, especially considering that the guy who invented JavaScript (Brendan Eich) is the same guy who develops Spidermonkey - the JavaScript Engine that Firefox/Mozilla/Seamonkey/etc use.

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December 18th, 2006, 11:10 am

Post Posted December 18th, 2006, 11:10 am

hhh wrote:The Minefield builds miss passing the Acid test by maybe 1 pixel (the nose placement is slightly off), but it's damn close!!!


No, the nose is right as those pixels are borders and no specification says the order to render the borders of an element.

And anyway, the acid2 test is just a test of a bunch of things, not definitive guide to evaluate the global rendering of any engine, it would be easy to pull out another test that it's perfectly rendered in Firefox but that brings troubles to Opera and Safari as no browser is 100% perfect.

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December 18th, 2006, 11:17 am

Post Posted December 18th, 2006, 11:17 am

retype wrote:Why Firefox 3 isn't acid2 compliant


So are you going to tell us why it isn't? or were you trying to ask, which would have been 'Why isn't Firefox 3 acid2 compliant?'

btw Firefox 3 isn't released yet so either way your question or statement is wrong.

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December 18th, 2006, 12:38 pm

Post Posted December 18th, 2006, 12:38 pm

the trunk passes the test. that 1 pixel stuff doesn't matter, even the dev of the test said so.

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December 19th, 2006, 8:52 am

Post Posted December 19th, 2006, 8:52 am

retype wrote:when the mozilla project started (and I have been using mozilla since M9) everyone talked about standards. Now in firefox 3 they are making incompatible changes in javascript and then the part of the web that has been stabilished like the acid2 that should only assert for something firefox already says it supports (css2) don't work with firefox 3 alpha.

I can't beleive what I will say but I am with the most compatible browser now... Safari. Probably conqueror is as good as safari and maybe now with kde4 it will be a port to windows... so lame.


its "Konqueror", not conqueror, and I doubt you will ever try it
according to
http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support.php
firefox 2.0 is still most standard compliant browser out on the market, standards!=CSS acid2 test standand. are you gonna use firefox for the standards? you sounds too much like an apple fanboy, to be honest,

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December 19th, 2006, 10:29 am

Post Posted December 19th, 2006, 10:29 am

The OP hasn't posted in 2 days, and the first words of his last post were "I'm sorry for my post".

And yet people are still baiting him...
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December 20th, 2006, 5:19 pm

Post Posted December 20th, 2006, 5:19 pm

sumguy231 wrote:Acid2 is not a straightforward standards-compliance test. A more accurate standards comparison is here:
http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support.php


What happened to radius for round corners?

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